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Post by keresm on Aug 2, 2009 22:14:57 GMT -5
DV, are you done backtracking and changing your story yet?
Yep. I said that.
It states, quite clearly, in plain English, that he is capable of understanding why somebody who answered the question of 'can I shoot a rapist to defend myself' with a 'no' would be a sick fuck. I fail to see why you think Lithp should be insulted by this.
Now, would you like to actually quote me calling someone on these boards a sick fuck, or implying that they are a sick fuck?
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 2, 2009 22:17:49 GMT -5
Right. The problem is that you're still ignoring the key issue.
Also, look at this topic: "What the Hell, Why Not?" I think the OP has like 1 flame in it. Everything about it is so half-assed that it's not even funny.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 2, 2009 22:18:10 GMT -5
You gave him two choices, and both of them were insults for him. Read Bluefinger's post about why it's an ad hom.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 2, 2009 22:22:03 GMT -5
Right. The problem is that you're still ignoring the key issue. Also, look at this topic: "What the Hell, Why Not?" I think the OP has like 1 flame in it. Everything about it is so half-assed that it's not even funny. OK, look. I think your argument was wrong, period, point blank. Nothing you've said has changed my mind about that. We have no more to say about the previous argument, because obviously we've reached an impasse, right? So I'm not "ignoring" it, I'm just not sure what else there is say about it at this point. Your comments about my "behavior," or whatever (if that's what you mean by "key issue"), I simply disagree with. I read your posts, I just don't agree. I've apologized for what I feel is in error. But that's all I can do, know what I mean? Because otherwise, we're still just back to "I think this/I think you're wrong." It's not going anywhere, and I have no desire to "dumbass" you back, so ... it's not so much ignoring as it is I don't see what the point is. I guess.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Aug 2, 2009 22:47:05 GMT -5
Karesm, I say this as someone who doesn't tolerate idiocy, not as a mod: Shut the fuck up. You're being a whiny little fuck. You're not making yourself look any better. You're just showing that you're immature and can't tolerate being told you were in the wrong. Now fuck off please. Thanks.
(And before you throw an emo fit, I can call you a stupid fuck in Flame and Burn. Which is where this thread is.)
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 2, 2009 22:52:49 GMT -5
Let me put it this way, Dante: Bullshit. I do not believe you "read my posts," because there's no way you can "disagree" with these examples. You did them. End of story.
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Aug 2, 2009 22:54:44 GMT -5
I'm going to take the middle ground here, by which I mean I'm going to snipe at everyone and thus endear myself to you all.
Keresm, looking at the various exchanges and quotes here, it really does seem to me that you are mis-interpreting DV, I don't see that she lied about you or that she treated you unfairly. If you still feel that you have been wronged in some way then that's really your own problem.
Aqua, seriously, there are grudges and then there is obsession. It's clear that that thread still annoys you but from the way you react you'd think DV had been sending letterbombs to your house. Calm down, you're taking it all far too seriously, if you feel there is a problem, and if I'm honest I don't really see it, you're only going to make it worse by acting so aggressively to everyone
DV, you are far too dismissive for your own good, that's the crux of your misunderstandings with Aqua and Lithp. You wander into debates too freely and then try and wander out once you've said your piece. You need to get into the habit of stating your opinion only when you are prepared to discuss and rehash it until people are satisfied with your points, as it is you are too fast to try and end a discussion and you leave the impression of ignoring others' arguments. Your discussion in this thread with keresm is a good example of how you should post, you made your point reasonably and you backed it up with evidence without dismissing the argument at all. By contrast, your last few posts to Lithp have been little more than trying to say that you're not interested in arguing with him, I'm sure that your intentions are perfectly good but you come across as being rather haughty and holier-than-thou.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 2, 2009 22:58:54 GMT -5
Fuck you, Sanda, you didn't yell at me! >.<
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Post by yojetak on Aug 2, 2009 23:01:12 GMT -5
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 2, 2009 23:09:22 GMT -5
Sanda: fair enough, and I can see what you mean to a certain extent, or certainly how it would be perceived that way. But my last few posts basically are about just not wanting to argue with Lithp anymore, because I don't see that at this point there would ever be an end to it.
Lithp: I've said all I can say about it. You're free to choose to think about it however you wish. I'm not really sure there is anything else to be done about it.
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Aug 2, 2009 23:26:53 GMT -5
Fuck you, Sanda, you didn't yell at me! >.< Well your main problem is just that you get agitated too easily, and then start making everyone feel hostile which aggravates the situation. If you emphathised a bit more and tried to sound less annoyed about things, it might help. Take a look at DV, at least to me she never sounds angry, sure she can sound dismissive, as I said, but never like she's losing her temper. You have the patience to hold a long and sensible debate, you just need to calm your temperament.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 3, 2009 0:59:02 GMT -5
Sounds about right. I do have one correction to make, though: Dante doesn't sound like she's losing her temper IN THIS TOPIC. In the topic in question, there was a lot more of a "fuck you" undertone.
Regardless of whether or not she really was angry, because that's a whole 'nother ballpark.
You have not. Am I stuttering when I say, "you are ignoring several examples," or something? Oh, I know you CLAIM to have read them, but the fact that you don't RESPOND to them is interesting. How you are managing to maintain this delusion of there being some kind of misunderstanding is beyond me.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 3, 2009 7:00:50 GMT -5
Lithp, to you I have not done all I could. But to me I have. Which is why I said this convo is back to being "I think you did/I don't think so" and is essentially pointless. You can call it "interesting" that I don't respond, but that's the crux of it. You are asking me, basically, to validate all or most of all that you've said about me in F&B. I've already said I disagree. What more is left to be said? You're asking me to 100% agree with your assessment, which I clearly don't -- you're asking me to do something I just flat out don't believe. I can explain why I disagree, but I don't believe at this point that will make any difference. So why keep prolonging it? It's not a "delusion" and words like that just amp up the hostility. I'm really not interested in that. I'm sorry things got out of hand. But that's as good as it's going to get on my end. I would assume you would appreciate the honesty in that. There are plenty of things I think about your attitude and actions as well. People aren't going to 100% agree with how you perceive a situation, and that would extend to me. I don't have to agree with your perception of it, and if that's what you're asking for, you're not going to get it. I don't mean that hatefully, it's just that it's just that simple, and I'm being honest about things. So again, I've said about all I can say -- what you might want me to say is a different matter. Whether I agree with what you want is also another matter again. That's just about where it stands right now.
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Post by keresm on Aug 3, 2009 7:49:58 GMT -5
You gave him two choices, and both of them were insults for him. Read Bluefinger's post about why it's an ad hom. No, Dante, earlier you stated that calling someone a hypocrite wasn't an ad hom. Remember, back when you were stating that all you'd done was call someone a hypocrite? It's okay to admit you were wrong, Dante.
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Post by erictheblue on Aug 3, 2009 8:20:13 GMT -5
You need to get into the habit of stating your opinion only when you are prepared to discuss and rehash it until people are satisfied with your points, as it is you are too fast to try and end a discussion and you leave the impression of ignoring others' arguments. Your discussion in this thread with keresm is a good example of how you should post, you made your point reasonably and you backed it up with evidence without dismissing the argument at all. By contrast, your last few posts to Lithp have been little more than trying to say that you're not interested in arguing with him, I'm sure that your intentions are perfectly good but you come across as being rather haughty and holier-than-thou. There comes a point where posting the same thing over and over starts to feel like you are bashing your head against a wall. From reading DV's posts to Lithp, it seems she has reached that point. There's only so many times you can say "Here are links to what I really said, and the reality of the situation." Saying the same things over and over (which is the point DV and Lithp are at) does nothing except frustrate everyone involved. In fact, I commend DV for staying in the argument as long as she has.
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