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Post by deliciousdemon on Mar 31, 2009 17:38:08 GMT -5
It was specifically a Biology class, as I recall. She said that she didn't believe in this stuff, but she had to teach it by law and we'd better put the right answers on the test, but we didn't have to actually think it was true. I didn't learn much about evolution that year. Fucking Texas. No wonder we have so many unknowledgeable people in the south. Of course , that does explain a lot. We do know where Slyfire is from. It's easy to argue the primitive MesoAmerican peoples were transplanted Jews when even the public school teachers are telling the students that what they are teaching them is incorrect. (Attempt to get this thread back on topic.) If the statement 'mesoamerican peoples were actually transplanted Jews!' was stated to anyone but a Mormon, said person would laugh in the face of the moron who said it. Simple enough. It's absolutely ridiculous. My fundie uncle went on a tirade about how the world used to be covered by water in the atmosphere and Woolly mammoths lived in jungles and my cousins laughed in his face, until they realised he was being serious; at which point they looked at me for social guidance regarding our extrication from the scene.
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Post by Star Cluster on Mar 31, 2009 18:55:05 GMT -5
Absolutely, DD. It's just that when those who are supposed to be teaching the correct things tells the class that they themselves don't even think it is correct, that just allows half-assed claims such as the "mesoamerican are transplanted Jews" bullshit to be perpetuated by those wanting to believe it to be true.
And it isn't limited to just that topic. If science teachers are telling the students, for instance, that they don't think what they are teaching about the formation of the universe is correct, but instead, the Genesis account is what they believed really happened, it is only going to foment an on-going belief in fairy tales and a lack of real knowledge.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 31, 2009 19:57:51 GMT -5
And this is why we get stupid questions on national exams like:
"According to evolutionists..."
This one was pointed out on a different thread, but I'm assuming it was just to stop the godidit answers.
What's next
"According to the majority of historians...."
"According to paleontologists from Drumheller...."
"According to Fred Smith, the Dean of Chemistry at your school..."
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Post by Star Cluster on Mar 31, 2009 21:14:59 GMT -5
Or worst yet, "According to Mormon apologists..."
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Post by Paradox on Mar 31, 2009 23:24:47 GMT -5
It was specifically a Biology class, as I recall. She said that she didn't believe in this stuff, but she had to teach it by law and we'd better put the right answers on the test, but we didn't have to actually think it was true. I didn't learn much about evolution that year. Fucking Texas. No wonder we have so many unknowledgeable people in the south. Of course , that does explain a lot. We do know where Slyfire is from. It's easy to argue the primitive MesoAmerican peoples were transplanted Jews when even the public school teachers are telling the students that what they are teaching them is incorrect. (Attempt to get this thread back on topic.) It took TalkOrigins and about half of Steven J. Gould's books to knock some sense into me. I don't need to imagine what would happen to people not as curious and open minded as myself. I know many of them.
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Post by deliciousdemon on Apr 1, 2009 3:21:15 GMT -5
Absolutely, DD. It's just that when those who are supposed to be teaching the correct things tells the class that they themselves don't even think it is correct, that just allows half-assed claims such as the "mesoamerican are transplanted Jews" bullshit to be perpetuated by those wanting to believe it to be true. And it isn't limited to just that topic. If science teachers are telling the students, for instance, that they don't think what they are teaching about the formation of the universe is correct, but instead, the Genesis account is what they believed really happened, it is only going to foment an on-going belief in fairy tales and a lack of real knowledge. I just took a step beck for a second to admire the view, and I cannot believe how long this thread is and how much of it is arguing about something so ridiculously obvious. It literally made me laugh. In regards to knowledge, it is no wonder American kids are getting less and less academically competitive in comparison to other countries. I wonder if there will be an 'oh science works' moments when medicine slows down or something equivalent.
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Post by JonathanE on Apr 1, 2009 21:58:28 GMT -5
In U.S. history, religion has proven itself to be detrimental to the common good, particularly the pursuit of knowledge. From Salem, Mass. to the current creation-science crap, religion has been a hindrance to our development. The problem for lay people is that science is now learning so much, so fast, that the average schmoe is either too thick to understand the concepts, or too lazy to try to learn. It is easy to dismiss scientific knowledge and advances because it seems too esoteric for the average person to grasp. Either that, or everyone grabs a little piece of the evidence and forms their own "theory", or, as in the example of Mormonism, search out the most esoteric "proof" and ignore the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Creationist fundies have been doing it for decades, if not centuries. Why should a Mormon fundy be any different?
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Apr 2, 2009 3:04:37 GMT -5
Well, they should be different in that they are encouraged to educate themselves properly in the knowledge of the world. Not that it actually means they will be any different. Doublethink is a damn impressive thing.
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Post by wackadoodle on Apr 2, 2009 12:17:12 GMT -5
I stopped reading this after the first page, has that drooling dumbfuck *you know who* actually been trying to argue that Jewish Indians exist outside of Blazing Saddles?
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Post by trike on Apr 2, 2009 12:45:55 GMT -5
Or worst yet, "According to Mormon apologists..." That phrase now inspires uncontrollable rage within me. I still have no idea how people can take something an apologist says as evidence for anything.
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Post by Star Cluster on Apr 2, 2009 19:00:13 GMT -5
Or worst yet, "According to Mormon apologists..." That phrase now inspires uncontrollable rage within me. I still have no idea how people can take something an apologist says as evidence for anything. Yeah, I know. What really gets me is how, on a board predominately populated by atheists and agnostics, he actually thinks that his apologetics is going to persuade anyone. Personally, I couldn't give less of a damn about Mormonism or mainstream Christianity in particular, or even religion in general as to if it is "the true way" or not. I don't believe in god(s), saviors, demons, golden plates, or any such trash and nothing Skyfire or any other apologist has to offer will change that. I doubt there is an argument for Christianity that I haven't already heard. Hell, there probably aren't any I espoused when I was a Christian. For no more good that he does here (none), I really wonder just what his purpose is. I've already called Poe on him once, and I haven't seen anything yet to change my mind.
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Post by John E on Apr 2, 2009 20:03:06 GMT -5
Skyfire:
The LDS church used to teach that all native americans were Lamanites, yes?
The LDS church now teaches that the Lamanites are a tiny minority, yes?
Are you willing to say that the church was wrong?
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Post by Julian on Apr 2, 2009 20:25:16 GMT -5
That phrase now inspires uncontrollable rage within me. I still have no idea how people can take something an apologist says as evidence for anything. Yeah, I know. What really gets me is how, on a board predominately populated by atheists and agnostics, he actually thinks that his apologetics is going to persuade anyone. Personally, I couldn't give less of a damn about Mormonism or mainstream Christianity in particular, or even religion in general as to if it is "the true way" or not. I don't believe in god(s), saviors, demons, golden plates, or any such trash and nothing Skyfire or any other apologist has to offer will change that. I doubt there is an argument for Christianity that I haven't already heard. Hell, there probably aren't any I espoused when I was a Christian. For no more good that he does here (none), I really wonder just what his purpose is. I've already called Poe on him once, and I haven't seen anything yet to change my mind. Your post doesn't quite tell the full story. What really gets me is how, on a board predominately populated by atheists and agnostics (who predominantly arrived at this position via exhaustive analysis and a search for the truth) , he actually thinks that his laughable apologetics is going to persuade anyone.If he had the truth and facts and solid arguments he'd sway the smarter ones all in five minutes... Unfortunately nothing could be further from the facts.
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Post by Star Cluster on Apr 2, 2009 21:15:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. What really gets me is how, on a board predominately populated by atheists and agnostics, he actually thinks that his apologetics is going to persuade anyone. Personally, I couldn't give less of a damn about Mormonism or mainstream Christianity in particular, or even religion in general as to if it is "the true way" or not. I don't believe in god(s), saviors, demons, golden plates, or any such trash and nothing Skyfire or any other apologist has to offer will change that. I doubt there is an argument for Christianity that I haven't already heard. Hell, there probably aren't any I espoused when I was a Christian. For no more good that he does here (none), I really wonder just what his purpose is. I've already called Poe on him once, and I haven't seen anything yet to change my mind. Your post doesn't quite tell the full story. What really gets me is how, on a board predominately populated by atheists and agnostics (who predominantly arrived at this position via exhaustive analysis and a search for the truth) , he actually thinks that his laughable apologetics is going to persuade anyone.If he had the truth and facts and solid arguments he'd sway the smarter ones all in five minutes... Unfortunately nothing could be further from the facts. Yep, you pegged it. Thanks for the assist, Julian.
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Post by John E on Apr 3, 2009 23:07:06 GMT -5
Skyfire: The LDS church used to teach that all native americans were Lamanites, yes? The LDS church now teaches that the Lamanites are a tiny minority, yes? Are you willing to say that the church was wrong? Sky? I know you're around. You're posting in other threads. Will you answer my questions please?
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