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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Mar 25, 2009 15:43:43 GMT -5
www.hsus.org/protectseals.htmlThe Canadian and Norwegian governments actually subsidize the killing of 500,000 baby seals for their fur. This is an unnecessary action that gives little income to the fishermen who carry out the killing of seals, and only serves to diminish the seal population in the Arctic. Baby seals are killed for their fur, and only baby seals with gray fur. Fishermen kill the seals by smashing their head in. So it is important we stop this practice; already 20000 seals have been killed.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Mar 25, 2009 16:12:01 GMT -5
Those pictures are terrible. Who would do such a thing?
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Post by ausador on Mar 25, 2009 16:40:19 GMT -5
Well they definately aren't following instructions... Seriously though it is a pretty evil seeming practice, I can understand wanting to continue native american tradition and such...but the commercial "hunt" should have been banned long ago. Who is not going to be against clubbing baby seals to death especially when it is seen in video and photos?
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Post by headache on Mar 25, 2009 16:48:20 GMT -5
Oh come on!
Stop the pathetic "oh they are so cute" argument. Seal hunting is not a problem when regulated and with quotas for the hunt. Clubbing the seal in the head with a sharp pike is actually pretty efficient and introduces no pain. people react to this because of those big black seal baby eyes, grow up!
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Mar 25, 2009 16:59:47 GMT -5
Oh come on! Stop the pathetic "oh they are so cute" argument. Seal hunting is not a problem when regulated and with quotas for the hunt. Clubbing the seal in the head with a sharp pike is actually pretty efficient and introduces no pain. people react to this because of those big black seal baby eyes, grow up! What makes not wanting to hurt an animal because it is cute an inferior argument? It's not sophisticated or paticularly scientific but neither is the argument in favour of seal clubbing. From a critical thinking point of view, 'cute things shouldn't be killed, baby seals are cute, baby seals shouldn't be killed' is no less a valid argument than 'People like high quality fur, baby seals have high quality fur, human desire for fur is more important than baby seals right to live, therefore it is okay to kill baby seals for their fur'.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Mar 25, 2009 17:23:46 GMT -5
Oh come on! Stop the pathetic "oh they are so cute" argument. Seal hunting is not a problem when regulated and with quotas for the hunt. Clubbing the seal in the head with a sharp pike is actually pretty efficient and introduces no pain. people react to this because of those big black seal baby eyes, grow up! The problem is that (a) 500,000 seals are killed every year, far more than native traditions acount for, and (b)they're all babies. My concern is more towards the effect of seal hunting on the overall population. With global climate change already causing sea ice to melt and polar bear struggling to find food, choking their main food supply (seals) would destroy the Arctic ecosystem as a whole.
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Post by headache on Mar 25, 2009 17:26:10 GMT -5
Normally, the whole seal is used. The fat is specially valuable, so are other parts. It is not just the fur.
But then again, I guess none of you whambulance callers have ever been to your local slaughter house and had a look at how your pork chops and steak is prepared. If clubbing the head was bad, a slaughter house must be hell on earth for you, are you all vegetarians?
I enjoy meat, whether it comes from a pig, a cow, a bull, a horse, a seal or a whale for that matter. My mom used to make some killer whale beef with fried onions and potatoes, yummy!
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Mar 25, 2009 17:28:42 GMT -5
Normally, the whole seal is used. The fat is specially valuable, so are other parts. It is not just the fur. But then again, I guess none of you whambulance callers have ever been to your local slaughter house and had a look at how your pork chops and steak is prepared. If clubbing the head was bad, a slaughter house must be hell on earth for you, are you all vegetarians? I enjoy meat, whether it comes from a pig, a cow, a bull, a horse, a seal or a whale for that matter. My mom used to make some killer whale beef with fried onions and potatoes, yummy! I have double standards, I'm cool with that. Trust me though, I don't act rationally when cute things are involved. I mean I know that if I saw someone trying to club a cat to death and I happened to be holding a gun, I wouldn't even hesitate.
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Post by headache on Mar 25, 2009 17:38:03 GMT -5
Normally, the whole seal is used. The fat is specially valuable, so are other parts. It is not just the fur. But then again, I guess none of you whambulance callers have ever been to your local slaughter house and had a look at how your pork chops and steak is prepared. If clubbing the head was bad, a slaughter house must be hell on earth for you, are you all vegetarians? I enjoy meat, whether it comes from a pig, a cow, a bull, a horse, a seal or a whale for that matter. My mom used to make some killer whale beef with fried onions and potatoes, yummy! I have double standards, I'm cool with that. Trust me though, I don't act rationally when cute things are involved. I mean I know that if I saw someone trying to club a cat to death and I happened to be holding a gun, I wouldn't even hesitate. Which is why the second amendment is total BS, it allows irrational people to chose the worst possible solution as it is the easiest solution available to them. But that's topic for a different thread. I feel sorry for all animals who are not cute enough for you.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Mar 25, 2009 17:45:27 GMT -5
Seriously, what is your problem? Show me where any of us even implied we are motivated by 'cuteness'.
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Post by gotpwnt on Mar 25, 2009 18:20:33 GMT -5
www.hsus.org/protectseals.htmlThe Canadian and Norwegian governments actually subsidize the killing of 500,000 baby seals for their fur. This is an unnecessary action that gives little income to the fishermen who carry out the killing of seals, and only serves to diminish the seal population in the Arctic. Baby seals are killed for their fur, and only baby seals with gray fur. Fishermen kill the seals by smashing their head in. So it is important we stop this practice; already 20000 seals have been killed. If you are going to save the seals, just don't do what PETA did and paint them red. That incident was both tragic and hilarious at the same time. Yes I know I'm fucked in the head.
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Post by Vene on Mar 25, 2009 18:31:41 GMT -5
If you are going to save the seals, just don't do what PETA did and paint them red. That incident was both tragic and hilarious at the same time. Yes I know I'm fucked in the head. There is a term for this, it's called horrormirth.
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Post by headache on Mar 25, 2009 19:22:25 GMT -5
Seriously, what is your problem? Show me where any of us even implied we are motivated by 'cuteness'. Seriously, your problem is reading comprehension. Reread the thread then let me know if you don't spot the cuteness argument somewhere... Geez! I have no idea why seals ignite such emotions, it's just a fricking animal for crying out loud, treat them decently but don't go Rapture Ready insane just because they are cute. Some people have made seals and whales into some sort of a spceial group of animals. I'm opposed to hunting based on population issues among the animals, but not based upon emotional arguments. We need a healthy stock of every animal but I see no problems with hunting animals of any type as long as they are not exterminated.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 25, 2009 19:30:26 GMT -5
Personally I think if seals are going to be hunted they should at least target adult rather than baby seals. that way they get more fur per animal, reducing the amount they need to hunt for the same amount of fur and there's at least a chance that the seals have been able to reproduce before they're hunted, which reduces the effect hunting has on the population.
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Post by Oriet on Mar 25, 2009 19:33:47 GMT -5
On a more serious note, I agree with Armand here. This is going to have severe impact on the Arctic ecology, when it's already having a lot of strain on it. That isn't taking the "cuteness factor" into account either.
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