funkenstein
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Post by funkenstein on Mar 27, 2009 18:04:30 GMT -5
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hunting seals. Baby or otherwise. We just need to make sure we don't hunt them to extinction or near-extinction.
Hunting is hunting. I don't see many people making a big fuss over shooting deer (which I assure you has the capacity to cause MUCH more pain than clubbing a seal).
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Mar 27, 2009 18:06:43 GMT -5
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hunting seals. Baby or otherwise. We just need to make sure we don't hunt them to extinction or near-extinction. Hunting is hunting. I don't see many people making a big fuss over shooting deer (which I assure you has the capacity to cause MUCH more pain than clubbing a seal). I have a problem with shooting dear, for sport that is, I don't begruge anyone who needs to hunt deer to live, but just because I'm not pissing my pant about it at this very moment doesn't mean that anti-hunting viewpoints are defunct.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 27, 2009 18:19:07 GMT -5
Thankfully I haven't done much with their genes...yet. But I don't think they'll appreciate grinding them up, spinning them at 10,000 times the force of gravity, and then poisoning them. Because that's what I've been doing for the past few weeks. That's a relief. You're screwed, but the rest of us will be okay. ;D If you somehow make it out alive and do decide to start tinkering with genes, remember to put a kill switch in so we can stop them when they rebel. Maybe make them deathly afraid of and irresistable to rabbits.
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Post by Vene on Mar 27, 2009 18:33:54 GMT -5
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hunting seals. Baby or otherwise. We just need to make sure we don't hunt them to extinction or near-extinction. Hunting is hunting. I don't see many people making a big fuss over shooting deer (which I assure you has the capacity to cause MUCH more pain than clubbing a seal). I have a problem with shooting dear, for sport that is, I don't begruge anyone who needs to hunt deer to live, but just because I'm not pissing my pant about it at this very moment doesn't mean that anti-hunting viewpoints are defunct. About the deer thing, I don't know what it's like where you live, but here deer are a pest. Because we humans are stupid we killed their natural predators (wolves and bears) and now there are so many they die of disease and starvation. Not to mention the number of car-deer accidents. Thankfully predators are being reintroduced, but there is no way hunters are going to hurt the deer population. At least not at this time.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 27, 2009 18:33:57 GMT -5
You hit your salad? Trying to make sure it's really dead? ;D The only way to be truly safe is to take a spiked club and whack it in the head. "D
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 27, 2009 19:08:05 GMT -5
Hunting is hunting. I don't see many people making a big fuss over shooting deer (which I assure you has the capacity to cause MUCH more pain than clubbing a seal). Hate to say it, but if you don't see people complain about hunting deer, I don't exactly know where you've been. Then again, if you're judging based on nobody criticising it in a thread based specifically on the practice of clubbing baby seals, that could be the problem. About the deer thing, I don't know what it's like where you live, but here deer are a pest. Because we humans are stupid we killed their natural predators (wolves and bears) and now there are so many they die of disease and starvation. Not to mention the number of car-deer accidents. Thankfully predators are being reintroduced, but there is no way hunters are going to hurt the deer population. At least not at this time. Valid point, Vene. Of course, this isn't true everywhere, and as such many people will be unaware or won't have that situation near them. There's been a concern over the last few years that Vermonters may be overhunting deer. Though I think that's been more valid over the last couple of years than when they first made the argument. NH and Maine actively hunt them and deal with some pretty major overpopulation issues. Which, I guess, goes back to the differences between seals and deer. Deer are overpopulated; seals are not. Deer are a threat to the habitat; seals are not. And, of course, deer serve the reptile men in their quest to dominate the world by infiltrating mankind, where seals only serve the more docile dolphin race, who seek to frolic and bring enlightenment.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 27, 2009 20:19:00 GMT -5
There's a lot to the seal hunt
As JonathanE said, Newfoundland is poor, and needs the hunt just for survival sake. Even the people coming in to protest is considered an industry now. As for whether they are overpopulated or not, I don't know, I'm on the other end of the country. I know some who do eat the seal meat. Hey meat is meat. Unfortunately it's become such a hot topic that I can't find much information on the internet that isn't polarized one way or the other. Some claim that by culling the seals, they're giving the cod a fighting chance at a comeback. Again, I don't know how much truth there is in that.
And as far as the cuteness factor goes, I've yet to meet anyone who wants to save the wolverine. So yeah, people tend to want to save the cute animals. Although I did hear a seal pup bite Heather Mills a few years back.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Mar 27, 2009 23:00:06 GMT -5
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with hunting seals. Baby or otherwise. We just need to make sure we don't hunt them to extinction or near-extinction. Hunting is hunting. I don't see many people making a big fuss over shooting deer (which I assure you has the capacity to cause MUCH more pain than clubbing a seal). I don't know where you live, but people fuss about deer hunting all the time around here.
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Post by tygerarmy on Mar 27, 2009 23:27:17 GMT -5
Not wanting to beat a dead seal here but hunting in moderation or to help keep an ecosystem balanced isn't wrong. Smashing in the heads of baby anythings is messed up.
And as for the cuteness thing; have you never been walking down a crowded street and had someones oh so *cute* tiny pocket sized pet underfoot and then played a the good old fashioned game of pet stomp?
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Post by Jodie on Mar 28, 2009 2:10:34 GMT -5
I think the argument that the seal hunt keeps the ecosystem balanced is complete bullshit. Keeping the balance in the eocosystem is what polar bears are for.
But hey, let's continue to diminish the polar bear's primary food source and then scratch our heads because we have no idea why the bear populations are starving to death (on top of not being able to reach their food in the first place because climate change is melting the ice flows).
Humans don't need to "balance the ecosystem," especially for such an assinine reason like the fur industry. Nature has no problem keeping everything balanced if we just leave it the fuck alone.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 28, 2009 3:43:25 GMT -5
The old saying is no man-made system is perfect.
Ironbite-wonder why that is.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 28, 2009 5:43:10 GMT -5
And as far as the cuteness factor goes, I've yet to meet anyone who wants to save the wolverine. *Raises hand from back of the room* I love the ornery little fuckers. My goal is to have them reintroduced into shopping malls and parliment buildings. And maybe Australia, just to see what happens.
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Post by deliciousdemon on Mar 28, 2009 6:03:44 GMT -5
I think the argument that the seal hunt keeps the ecosystem balanced is complete bullshit. Keeping the balance in the eocosystem is what polar bears are for. But hey, let's continue to diminish the polar bear's primary food source and then scratch our heads because we have no idea why the bear populations are starving to death (on top of not being able to reach their food in the first place because climate change is melting the ice flows). Humans don't need to "balance the ecosystem," especially for such an assinine reason like the fur industry. Nature has no problem keeping everything balanced if we just leave it the fuck alone. Polar Bears are on the decline most likely because ice is melting. Polar bears use ice as a platform to hunt seal. No ice, no hunting platform and polar bears are forced to swim out to see and fish for prey. So yes, the polar bears may be starving, but it is not because seals are hunted annually, it is because their hunting stages are melting away. So you are correct, but seal populations seem to be secondary as phrased by the article. Ice may be more important than seal. www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126882.700-more-polar-bears-going-hungry.htmlYou're quite correct that nature can keep things balanced, but if human beings have thrown off this balance there are ways to correct the damage to some extent and improve the situation. There are whole disciplines centred around this: wildlife management, conservation ecology, et cetera; so I think it is oversimplifying to assume the work that they do is not important or useful. The white-tailed deer example has already been mentioned as have the atlantic cod. It is possible to manage resources sustainable, enacting measures to do so would seem to be the real trick.
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Post by Jodie on Mar 28, 2009 6:33:12 GMT -5
Instead of slaughtering thousands of seals for nothing, how about transporting the seals into areas where polar bears are having trouble finding food. It would probably cost the government just as much and hopefully it would help renew (or at least sustain) the starving bears. Okay, I admit, maybe that's a bit idealistic, but it sounds like a good idea, doesn't it? Still, human hunters can reach the ice flows that haven't yet melted much faster than the polar bears can, and that is unfair for a creature that is struggling as it is. I still think the seal hunt is a terrible waste of all those potential polar bear meals.
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Post by Jodie on Mar 28, 2009 6:34:15 GMT -5
(...and maybe I have a soft spot for polar bears...)
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