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Post by katsuro on Mar 30, 2009 4:25:51 GMT -5
Found this via another website - www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMU5KpZJWnE&feature=channel_pageDoes anybody know how true or accurate this report is? The thing is, the only info I can find about this on the net is all from that one "Russia Today" report. I mean this is supposed to involve the whole of the EU and several other countries. You`d think at least one other news channel/paper etc would have learned about this. How the fuck did Russia Today get so lucky in discovering this super-secret act all by themselves? Plus, if you read their Wikipedia page the station is sponsored by "RIA-Novosti" which is apparently a state-owned Russian news agency. The channel has been accused by western media, and at least one of their own reporters, as being a Russian propaganda tool - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Today#CriticismSo, does anyone know if this is 100% true and I should I be pissed about this and be all "fuck Obama!" or is this bullshit/based On truth but distorted by a biased network to make it out to be far worse than it actually is? |
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 30, 2009 8:41:44 GMT -5
Most likely bullshit since every site that I can find about the story just links back to the youtube video. I can't find a legislative bill, but of course the story says the US may sign a treaty. Info on that treaty can be found here www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/jul/10/whatdoestheanticounterfeitiIf anything it seems that the treaty is more aimed at stopping large scale software piracy then individuals who share files. |
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 30, 2009 10:54:55 GMT -5
Of course, politicians and music/video/game execs like to confuse the two, so that's not to say it's still not an issue to file sharers.
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Post by vojnik on Apr 3, 2009 1:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by katsuro on Apr 3, 2009 4:48:59 GMT -5
FFS. So its "fuck Obama!" time already...didn't take long. Not that it's all his doing mind you. This does give me mild reassurance though: "In a ACTA fact sheet updated in November 2008 the European Commission stated that: "ACTA is not designed to negatively affect consumers: the EU legislation (2003 Customs Regulation) has a de minimis clause that exempts travellers from checks if the infringing goods are not part of large scale traffic. EU customs, frequently confronted with traffics of drugs, weapons or people, do neither have the time nor the legal basis to look for a couple of pirated songs on an i-Pod music player or laptop computer, and there is no intention to change this." Very mild, however. Doesn't help if I'm travelling to the US though, and it's still wrong. How can they even prove those songs aren't legal copies from CD's you own? It ain't against the law to copy CD's you own onto your computer to put on your Ipod...yet. So WTF? We seem to be gettign ever closer to being less free than all the shitty countries in the world. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Apr 3, 2009 6:37:32 GMT -5
So the fact that it states they won't be looking for pirated songs on your i-pod makes you nerves that they will be checking your i-pod for pirated songs?  |
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Post by katsuro on Apr 3, 2009 11:19:41 GMT -5
So the fact that it states they won't be looking for pirated songs on your i-pod makes you nerves that they will be checking your i-pod for pirated songs? You missed the part where I said I found the statement mildly reassuring huh? Or the part about that statement applying only to the EU, so travelling to the US may result in searches? And I'm not worried about them searching me for illegal songs - I don't have any. That dosen't mean I think it's ok to do such a thing. I think it's wrong that they have the power to search you without good reason, even if in reality they never use it nor intend to. It's the principle of the matter. Also, bear in mind what a ploitician or spokeperson says isn't always the same as the complete truth or reality. |
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 3, 2009 11:33:45 GMT -5
US courts have been pushing an affirmative defense stance on people accused of stealing songs. That is, the defendant has to prove ownership of the music on their computers/MP3 players. You know, "guilty until proven innocent."
Which is the only reason I'm worried about getting searched for illegal songs. 21332 songs grabbed not only from CDs but also from multiple pay services (eMusic, Amazon MP3, etc.). Comprehensively proving my music is all legal would take forever.
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Post by katsuro on Apr 3, 2009 11:47:04 GMT -5
US courts have been pushing an affirmative defense stance on people accused of stealing songs. That is, the defendant has to prove ownership of the music on their computers/MP3 players. You know, "guilty until proven innocent." Which is the only reason I'm worried about getting searched for illegal songs. 21332 songs grabbed not only from CDs but also from multiple pay services (eMusic, Amazon MP3, etc.). Comprehensively proving my music is all legal would take forever. Wow. Is that ever likely to actually happen? That's fucked up. How could they justify that? Imagine if all laws worked that way. You get acused of murder/rape etc and it's up to you to prove that you didn't do it. I mean, what the hell? If that happens anyone could potentially be fined or whatever when they are totaly innocent. Pretty much would make us as bad as Saudi Arabia or somewhere like it. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Apr 3, 2009 12:06:31 GMT -5
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Post by katsuro on Apr 3, 2009 12:36:35 GMT -5
Most likely, but I still don't like it.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 3, 2009 13:42:21 GMT -5
Of course, politicians and music/video/game execs like to confuse the two, so that's not to say it's still not an issue to file sharers. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Apr 3, 2009 14:13:27 GMT -5
Yah, they could go after individuals using this, of course if they did it would clog up the courts because of the huge number of people who have songs and such on i-pods and PCs. The sheer numbers make it basicly uninforceable when it comes to individuals. If anything they will go after the file share sites.
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