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Post by Trevelyan on Mar 31, 2009 22:11:11 GMT -5
This crazy lady basically allowed her kid to starve to death because the leader of her cult told her he was a demon for not saying amen after meals. Then she proceeded to allow them to keep the body in the back room and pray for him to be resurrected. Now, as bad as this is, it's not something that I've not heard of before in some form or another. What gets me is the fact that her plea bargain includes a clause that if the kid is resurrected then all the charges are dropped. This just blows my mind. Even if some how the kid, whose body was kept in luggage and allowed to decompose, was to be resurrected why should she get a pass? Even if through some crazy ass perversion of quantum physics he was brought back, how does that change what she did? The kid still had to suffer through the terror of being abandoned by his mother, suffering who knows what kind of abuse, and starving to death. Coming back to life wouldn't somehow mean the kid didn't have to suffer through that. The above, however, is really just me going off on a tangent. There is no way the kid is going to come back to life after being starved to death and then having his dead body stuffed into a suitcase, so why put that in there? All it does it somehow try to rationalize what the lady did, and fuck that.
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Post by Sikotik_Psyphi on Mar 31, 2009 22:13:55 GMT -5
Your link goes nowhere. Still another sad and disgusting story of what religion can do.
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Post by Trevelyan on Mar 31, 2009 22:29:54 GMT -5
Your link goes nowhere. Still another sad and disgusting story of what religion can do. One must be careful where they put quotation marks when posting links.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 31, 2009 22:35:06 GMT -5
Even if the child doesn't get resurrected, why the hell is she getting a suspended sentence?
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Post by Vene on Mar 31, 2009 22:51:07 GMT -5
Even if the child doesn't get resurrected, why the hell is she getting a suspended sentence? Because religion gets a free pass, even fucking insane cults.
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Post by Paradox on Mar 31, 2009 23:11:19 GMT -5
This just blows my mind. Even if some how the kid, whose body was kept in luggage and allowed to decompose, was to be resurrected why should she get a pass? Even if through some crazy ass perversion of quantum physics he was brought back, how does that change what she did? The kid still had to suffer through the terror of being abandoned by his mother, suffering who knows what kind of abuse, and starving to death. Coming back to life wouldn't somehow mean the kid didn't have to suffer through that. Due to quantum effects, he's almost certain to come back to live some time several trillion times the current age of the universe from now! So someday, after the stars have burned out and even the black holes have evaporated away into nothing, this woman will be vindicated. You just wait and see.
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Post by perv on Mar 31, 2009 23:36:07 GMT -5
I see the problem. Apparently they only had one mind between the lot of them. That's one fifth or less of a mind each.
So anyway, yeah, it's ridiculous, but if that was what it took to get her to plead guilty and spare the expense of a trial, then the prosecutor was smart to go along with it. I'm not sure I agree with the suspended sentence though.
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Post by stormwarden on Apr 1, 2009 0:11:20 GMT -5
I disagree with the suspended sentence. However, it would be nice to see this cult put out of business. and you won't be able to do that just by arresting lay worshippers. You have to nail the leadership to the wall, and hope they didn't already get a succession plan in place.
If there were a hell, there should be a special place just for people like this.
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Post by askold on Apr 1, 2009 3:40:24 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with that deal. If they can get more murderous cultists arrested and only have to offer to let one of them go in case of a miraculous resurrection.
Besides if the boy actually rises from the grave as a vampire/demon/zombie/democrat/mime then we have bigger problems to worry about than one crazy lady.
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Post by perv on Apr 1, 2009 13:49:10 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with that deal. If they can get more murderous cultists arrested and only have to offer to let one of them go in case of a miraculous resurrection. If I'm reading the story correctly, they're letting her off with time served anyway, and that's the part that strikes me as a bit too lenient. On the other hand, she is arguably somewhat a victim in this too, so perhaps it's appropriate that the cult higher-ups get the more serious punishment.
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Post by CtraK on Apr 1, 2009 13:58:50 GMT -5
This just blows my mind. Even if some how the kid, whose body was kept in luggage and allowed to decompose, was to be resurrected why should she get a pass? Even if through some crazy ass perversion of quantum physics he was brought back, how does that change what she did? The kid still had to suffer through the terror of being abandoned by his mother, suffering who knows what kind of abuse, and starving to death. Coming back to life wouldn't somehow mean the kid didn't have to suffer through that. Due to quantum effects, he's almost certain to come back to live some time several trillion times the current age of the universe from now! So someday, after the stars have burned out and even the black holes have evaporated away into nothing, this woman will be vindicated. You just wait and see. Nah, his body will technically be on a sort of equivalency with life with the onset of heat death, in the sense that the entropy of his corpse will match the entropy of everyone else. So it'll happen far quicker than you think.
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Post by rookie on Apr 1, 2009 14:56:27 GMT -5
Death is too good for these people (the cult leaders). There are some things that's just too foreign to my way of thinking that I can't wrap my brain around it. This case is one of these things.
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Post by MozMode on Apr 1, 2009 14:59:22 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with that deal. If they can get more murderous cultists arrested and only have to offer to let one of them go in case of a miraculous resurrection. If I'm reading the story correctly, they're letting her off with time served anyway, and that's the part that strikes me as a bit too lenient. On the other hand, she is arguably somewhat a victim in this too, so perhaps it's appropriate that the cult higher-ups get the more serious punishment. If they are truly letting her off with time served, that is extremely lenient. But they need to do something about this cult.
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Post by Star Cluster on Apr 1, 2009 17:21:26 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with that deal. If they can get more murderous cultists arrested and only have to offer to let one of them go in case of a miraculous resurrection. Besides if the boy actually rises from the grave as a vampire/demon/zombie/democrat/mime then we have bigger problems to worry about than one crazy lady. Yeah, this is my thinking. Besides, why not include this in the plea bargain? If I were in the DA's office and this was presented to me as part of a plea deal, after picking myself off the floor from laughing, I'd say, "Sure, we'll drop the charges if he ever resuscitates. Yeah, that's a deal. Sure thing."
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 1, 2009 18:30:51 GMT -5
This witch needs to be locked away in a mental ward if anything, and those bozos that told her that crap need to be locked up and the building burned to the ground.
Yet atheists are the ones with no morals
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