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Post by Trillian on May 25, 2010 6:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by Star Cluster on May 25, 2010 6:56:49 GMT -5
Zapiro's response cartoon is probably closer to the truth than the Muhammad one. I'm sure all religious nuts zealots people have a sense of humor about religion...so long as it's someone else's religion. But when you start joking about their beliefs, more times than not, you're going to have a fight on your hands.
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Post by aaa on May 25, 2010 7:12:08 GMT -5
I am still waiting for that "Draw a big cock" day.
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Post by Trillian on May 25, 2010 8:15:39 GMT -5
I am still waiting for that "Draw a big cock" day. Every day is draw a big cock day! |
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 25, 2010 8:46:46 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone's ever tried to start a "draw a swastika" day in Germany for similar reasons.
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Post by sithyeti on May 25, 2010 13:41:01 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone's ever tried to start a "draw a swastika" day in Germany for similar reasons. But isn't that against the law in Germany? |
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Post by MaybeNever on May 25, 2010 13:57:46 GMT -5
It is, which might make it a decent goal just for that, with the understanding that participants will probably face jail time or a fine or whatever the punishment is. On the other hand, the Germans illegalized the swastika in their own country but don't expect others to do so, which makes them way the hell more sympathetic than Muslim fundamentalists.
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Post by Tiger on May 25, 2010 15:33:00 GMT -5
It is, which might make it a decent goal just for that, with the understanding that participants will probably face jail time or a fine or whatever the punishment is. On the other hand, the Germans illegalized the swastika in their own country but don't expect others to do so, which makes them way the hell more sympathetic than Muslim fundamentalists. Not to mention that stupid people would assume that they were supporting Nazism rather than free speech. |
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Post by azolgar on May 25, 2010 17:34:56 GMT -5
Well, drawing a swastika here in Germany is illegal for a reason. Also, they're not completely banned since clearly defined works of art (movies, political cartoons etc.) as well as historical images are allowed to show them. The rule exists to prevent neo-Nazis from using them as decoration or logos.
Another thing seems to be the ban against Holocaust denial. I've heard people (unsurprisingly none of them Germans) argue that while understandable it is still a limitation of freedom of speech. And while this is correct nobody from Germany would demand that law to be abolished. This is just something that perhaps people from other countries (mostly the US *cough*) "don't get".
Our history and the Third Reich just aren't "just another event in history". It was something that defined the course of the entire nation and our whole political and cultural self-image up to this day.
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Post by Tiger on May 25, 2010 17:50:02 GMT -5
Well, drawing a swastika here in Germany is illegal for a reason. And Muslims get upset about drawings of Mohammed for a reason. Doesn't mean it's a good reason. Are you saying it isn't? |
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Post by worlder on May 25, 2010 18:31:57 GMT -5
Where do we draw the line in our efforts to shock and offend?
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Post by davedan on May 25, 2010 18:39:13 GMT -5
The thing about that comic is the only thing offensive about it is that it depicts an image of Mohammed. He is not in hell or any other demeaning place. In fact he would appear to be in heaven. Moreover it implicitly recognises that Mohammed is a prophet. I don't think it can be seen as anything other than a bit of light hearted fun. Mohammed has been depicted before, particularly by shias.
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Post by Tiger on May 25, 2010 19:46:35 GMT -5
Where do we draw the line in our efforts to shock and offend? At the point where we're doing it to things that don't deserve to be mocked and people who don't deserve to be offended. |
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Post by Trillian on May 26, 2010 5:00:48 GMT -5
The thing about that comic is the only thing offensive about it is that it depicts an image of Mohammed. He is not in hell or any other demeaning place. In fact he would appear to be in heaven. Moreover it implicitly recognises that Mohammed is a prophet. I don't think it can be seen as anything other than a bit of light hearted fun. Mohammed has been depicted before, particularly by shias. I agree with this. The issue is that he dare draw an image of Muhammad, not that Muhammad was doing something offensive. Just as previously mentioned about swastikas in Germany being banned, Germany do not expect everyone else in the world to abide by their rules. Also keep in mind that that is a rule of the state, and not a rule of a religion which is separate from state for a reason. No one religion can dictate what everyone outside of that religion should do in a democratic and free society. If Muslims were offended by the image, they had the choice to not buy the publication, and not look at the cartoon. Zapiro is far more offensive when it comes to our political leaders (for example, our president is drawn with a shower head above his head, as he was on trial for the rape of an HIV woman, and claimed that he did not use a condom, but that was okay, as he had a shower afterward!!) This is not the first time he has been 'in trouble' for his cartoons, and I'm sure it won't be the last! |
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Post by kzickas on May 26, 2010 5:46:05 GMT -5
At the point where we're doing it to things that don't deserve to be mocked and people who don't deserve to be offended. And what standards should be used to decide that? |
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