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Post by Hades on Apr 2, 2009 23:47:42 GMT -5
What the fuck.
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Post by antichrist on Apr 3, 2009 1:37:32 GMT -5
See, my first thought was "way to go 13-year-old on successfully stopping people nearly three times as old as you from raping you THREE TIMES! props and a half, kiddo! you're angling for grandma to get custody, right?" I've only read the portion of the article that's presented there, but still... bloody impressive. That actually made me lose a little respect for her. Stopping someone from raping you ONCE is an accomplishment. There should be no second attempt. I can only wonder what trauma or confusion led this poor girl to not go to the police or other trusted adult immediately. As someone who was abused all her childhood and will have nightmares for the rest of her life about it, fuck you. I told, I was informed that molestation was not molestation. REAL molestation involves strangers jumping out of bushes and dragging you off into a van. I told teachers, nothing happened. I told a fucking shrink what the hell was going on, I was told I was a compulsive liar. Who the fuck are you supposed to turn to when the people you trust your life to betray you? IT'S HER MOTHER, THE WOMAN IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT HER AT ALL COSTSFucking cats are better mothers.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 3, 2009 1:49:36 GMT -5
What. The. Fuck?! Hasn't the stupid bitch ever heard of adoption?!?! The sheer bullshit people do is fast making me somewhat sympathetic to the following motto. Hitler: Right idea, wrong target.
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Post by Akage on Apr 3, 2009 2:25:33 GMT -5
That actually made me lose a little respect for her.
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Post by Trevelyan on Apr 3, 2009 2:54:16 GMT -5
Maybenever, seems you're getting your ass handed to you so I'm not going to add to that except to say that you should seriously reconsider what you said.
As for the mom and her boyfriend I think they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don't need to have any more children, nor do they deserve the one they have.
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Post by Bojangles on Apr 3, 2009 2:58:16 GMT -5
See, my first thought was "way to go 13-year-old on successfully stopping people nearly three times as old as you from raping you THREE TIMES! props and a half, kiddo! you're angling for grandma to get custody, right?" I've only read the portion of the article that's presented there, but still... bloody impressive. That actually made me lose a little respect for her. Stopping someone from raping you ONCE is an accomplishment. There should be no second attempt. I can only wonder what trauma or confusion led this poor girl to not go to the police or other trusted adult immediately. I'm interested to know your opinion then of children who are abused for years before they have the courage to come forward (or before someone notices that something is wrong) or women who are terrorised by husbands and boyfriends for years before they leave. Do you lose respect for them too? If a woman is capable of drugging her own daughter so that her boyfriend can rape the child, who the hell knows what else she could be capable of. If this happened three times, there is no doubt that this poor child was scared out her mind and her trust shattered. And also remember that many rape victims do not come forward for fear of not being believed, embarrassment and shame, a belief that they were partly to blame, social stigma and I'm sure there are a multitude of other reasons.
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Post by apate on Apr 3, 2009 7:41:13 GMT -5
What. The. Fuck?! Hasn't the stupid bitch ever heard of adoption?!?! The sheer bullshit people do is fast making me somewhat sympathetic to the following motto. Hitler: Right idea, wrong target. I ve always been sympathetic to the "right idea, wrong target" motto, but increasingly so.
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Post by The Lazy One on Apr 3, 2009 8:00:20 GMT -5
That's disgusting. I'm glad that she was able to fend them off.
They should sterilize the boyfriend- that's the only option I can think of.
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Post by peanutfan on Apr 3, 2009 11:18:38 GMT -5
See, my first thought was "way to go 13-year-old on successfully stopping people nearly three times as old as you from raping you THREE TIMES! props and a half, kiddo! you're angling for grandma to get custody, right?" I've only read the portion of the article that's presented there, but still... bloody impressive. That actually made me lose a little respect for her. Stopping someone from raping you ONCE is an accomplishment. There should be no second attempt. I can only wonder what trauma or confusion led this poor girl to not go to the police or other trusted adult immediately. My older sister physically and emotionally abused me all through my childhood, including sexually assaulting me three times. My parents did nothing, even when it was happening right in front of them and I was literally screaming for help. Going to authorities is no easy feat, especially when the most central authority figures in your life (parents, hopefully) actively disbelieve you, or in the case of this story, are the perpetrators.
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Post by MaybeNever on Apr 3, 2009 12:00:06 GMT -5
Whoa. Here's my ass, on a platter, handed to me by like thirty different people. And I suppose it WAS blaming the victim, and in doing so I was indeed quite wrong. I had not really considered the matter. I'm kind of an ass sometimes, and usually it's because I haven't thought things through or whatever.
No, I've never been physically or sexually abused. I've never been in real fear for my life. And if authority figures are ignoring a person in distress, they're doing their job wrong and should probably be cashiered (by which I mean removed from their position, and then allowed to work as a cashier, if that). Therapists, teachers, police - all of these people are supposed to treat allegations of abuse extremely seriously no matter whom they are coming from. I can't imagine the trauma of this, and in no way did I intend to imply that she deserved or brought on herself the subsequent rape attempts. Parents who ignore or abet this sort of stuff should have the book thrown at them, and maybe their legs broken too. There is no punishment that is sufficient for a parent who actively endangers his or her child like this.
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Post by peanutfan on Apr 3, 2009 12:33:49 GMT -5
Mark Twain: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
I also often suffer from a case of foot-in-mouth syndrome. That's why, like you said, it's better to think something through before saying anything.
Thanks for the apology.
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Post by antichrist on Apr 3, 2009 12:41:11 GMT -5
Appology accepted.
Guess that's part of the PTSD for me. Whenever I feel like someone's denying abuse, it's the same shit all over again. I go into a very reactionary mode.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Apr 3, 2009 12:46:39 GMT -5
Whoa. Here's my ass, on a platter, handed to me by like thirty different people. And I suppose it WAS blaming the victim, and in doing so I was indeed quite wrong. I had not really considered the matter. I'm kind of an ass sometimes, and usually it's because I haven't thought things through or whatever. No, I've never been physically or sexually abused. I've never been in real fear for my life. And if authority figures are ignoring a person in distress, they're doing their job wrong and should probably be cashiered (by which I mean removed from their position, and then allowed to work as a cashier, if that). Therapists, teachers, police - all of these people are supposed to treat allegations of abuse extremely seriously no matter whom they are coming from. I can't imagine the trauma of this, and in no way did I intend to imply that she deserved or brought on herself the subsequent rape attempts. Parents who ignore or abet this sort of stuff should have the book thrown at them, and maybe their legs broken too. There is no punishment that is sufficient for a parent who actively endangers his or her child like this. I just wanted to say I always appreciate when people are able to admit they made a mistake. It's a sign of being able to think past proving yourself right. So, for that I exalt your karma.
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Post by MaybeNever on Apr 3, 2009 12:48:34 GMT -5
When the best one can aspire to is being the fool, I figure it's worth going for the gusto.
But, for me, it's really that I look at things pretty emotionlessly before my sympathy/outrage/horror glands go into action, and I've never been able to unify the two things. I mean, if you remove emotion from the equation, I think my assessment was basically correct. But once you realize you're dealing with a HUMAN, who, like, has feelings and stuff, it changes the picture. And that's where I fucked up.
The good news is that, yes, if I'm being an idiot and it's called to my attention, I'll usually admit it.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Apr 3, 2009 13:51:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the human factor usually gets in the way.
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