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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 15, 2009 7:15:41 GMT -5
Hell's in Jersey I need to break out the religious material. Jersey home of the Devils. ...and, of course, New York City is quite close by, wherein one can find Hell's Kitchen. We have Hell right here in Michigan, it freezes over at least once every year |
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Post by peanutfan on Apr 15, 2009 9:33:54 GMT -5
Oriet has it right in regards to Helheim; it was for the dead who hadn't distinguished themselves in any way. There were various different afterlives for people who distinguished themselves in different ways, but Valhalla was considered the most desirable. The requirements for getting in depended on who you asked, and have probably changed and varied over Asatru's history; some said anyone who died by violence (self-inflicted or otherwise) would go there, others that you needed to die with a weapon in your hand, others that you actually had to die fighting.
As for the modern concept of Hell, from what I know it's mostly taken from Dante's Inferno.
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Post by Spong Habsburg on Apr 15, 2009 9:44:08 GMT -5
I've been to Hell, Norway.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Apr 16, 2009 11:14:03 GMT -5
I think some people really want to continue to believe in Hell or eternal punishment because they want to believe that there will be some kind of justice done to people who do really bad things in life. When I was a JW and bothering people at home on a perfectly fine Saturday morning, one of the most popular responses people would give when they found out we didn't believe in Hell was (prepare for Godwin): "But what about Hitler?!"  Some people really seemed to have a need to believe that someone who could do such horrible things in a lifetime would have something coming to him after he died, at least--that he wouldn't get away with it. Yes, it's all about vengeance and bloodlust. But I think sometimes it's because people know deep down there is nothing inherently "fair" about life--and they want an equalizer. My two cents anyway. |
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Post by DrKilljoy on Apr 16, 2009 12:29:57 GMT -5
The idea of Hell was, ironically, both what caused me to cling to Christianity so long (as I feared punishment for not doing so) and the main factor in me denouncing my religion and becoming an Atheist.
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Post by peanutfan on Apr 16, 2009 13:42:10 GMT -5
I can somewhat understand the idea of a "temporary" Hell, which many Eastern religions and some early Christian sects support(ed). But even in the case of Hitler, I don't believe anything a human being can do in a single lifetime could justify an eternity of torture. Sure, they might deserve various types of cruel and unusual punishments for a long, long, long, looooong time, but anything we do is finite by definition. A finite crime cannot justify an infinite punishment.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 16, 2009 13:58:51 GMT -5
...and, of course, New York City is quite close by, wherein one can find Hell's Kitchen. We have Hell right here in Michigan, it freezes over at least once every year  |
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Post by Vypernight on Apr 16, 2009 16:33:30 GMT -5
I've been to Hell, Norway. I'm jealous. I wanna go! |
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Post by shriekback on May 11, 2009 17:17:01 GMT -5
You'll get no argument from me on this
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Post by adoylelb90815 on May 15, 2009 15:34:25 GMT -5
I exalt you since I completely agree. As I said in another thread, I think that any God who would send anyone who doesn't kiss his or his son's ass to hell is a major asshole. That also includes any god that wants believers to piss on the graves of the dead by necro-dunking them through proxies who can't do that unless they fork over 10% of their income.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 21, 2009 22:20:16 GMT -5
You are exalted, sir. The problem is that back when these "my way or the highway" religions developed, tyrannical rulers were the norm. So naturally, the gods of those religions were tyrannical and uncompromising. I personally have much more respect for the pagan and Eastern religions that were extent at the time...even if the followers believed their system applied to everyone, you only got tortured in the afterlife if you actually deserved it, and even then it usually wasn't for eternity. Better late than never, I guess: I actually find this really ironic, considering that it's commonly accepted that Christianity was sort of a daydream about being free from the tyranny of the Roman Emperor. |
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Post by SaveTheBales on May 23, 2009 15:37:56 GMT -5
Funny. I'm on the dumbwaiter to hell; I get a church in my backyard.  Donkeys shit in the aisles. The sanctuary goes pretty much unused. Cats kill the rodents. Donkeys' food gets stacked. That's about it.  |
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Post by SaveTheBales on May 23, 2009 16:34:05 GMT -5
Edit:  Last spring a bucketload of leprechauns rolled out the end of that rainbow and tried to fuck the donkeys in the ass. Being geldings, they all sprung useless woodys -- used to beat the little green ass-bandits to a bloody pulp. They keep tuned-in for more to show-up.  What's this got to do with the OP? Hell my ass! |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 23, 2009 18:43:18 GMT -5
Random question: Is there something I'm supposed to be looking for in your signature? 'Cause I feel like I'm missing something, & it's driving me nuts.
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Post by SaveTheBales on May 23, 2009 19:55:09 GMT -5
Random question: Is there something I'm supposed to be looking for in your signature? 'Cause I feel like I'm missing something, & it's driving me nuts. You're not missing a thing. It's a succession of photos taken out the living room window from the first day of spring this year through early May. Some days I took just one photo. Others, more. Some, none. I "giffed" the group and get a kick out of seeing winter end so quickly. There are two or three days in there where the morning snowcover melts by sundown. Winter is like a holiday with relatives: It's good to see it come and good to see it go. |
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Some people really seemed to have a need to believe that someone who could do such horrible things in a lifetime would have something coming to him after he died, at least--that he wouldn't get away with it. Yes, it's all about vengeance and bloodlust. But I think sometimes it's because people know deep down there is nothing inherently "fair" about life--and they want an equalizer. My two cents anyway.
