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Post by thechamp on May 27, 2009 21:39:49 GMT -5
thechamp doesn't gloat, just says it like it is. I see others here say it like they see it as well. If not, well, welcome to FSTDT, but I'm afraid you're a little overambitious if you think anyone's going to accept, "That's just the way it is." That works for natural phenomena. Not for omnipotent, omniscient, supposedly omnibenevolent beings. Well hello, lithp. No one needs to accept what I say. They choose to accept what God says, or not. Now even you can't deny this. You think its all balderdash, so be it. If the sum total of my posts are too much for this forum, then do what you gotta do.
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Post by Sigmaleph on May 27, 2009 21:50:23 GMT -5
Actually, you don't need the Bible for this, you've already chosen whether you believe its the word of God or not, and whether the knowledge of Him is worthwhile for you to believe. I'm not here to defend the scriptures. They stand on their own, or not. There seems to be a disconnect between the fist and last parts of your post. I don't need the Bible, but the Bible stands on its own and is therefore all I need? Could you please clarify?
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Post by ausador on May 27, 2009 21:50:40 GMT -5
Well I'm hardcore calvinist, unfortunatly I'm one of those chosen to be damned by God before they were even born, so you see it isn't my fault. I might as well have some fun in life since I'm going to hell no matter what anyway ehh?
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Post by thechamp on May 27, 2009 22:05:53 GMT -5
Could you please clarify? Well sure. You have a Bible. Is it the words God gave to man, or no? Its a question all your own. When you answer it for yourself, you have your answer. If you don't believe they are from God, then you can go along your merry way, if you are able. If you do believe they are from God, then only a man who doesn't care what God says, who doesn't think it worthwhile to listen to God, would ignore it. And whatever He says about hell, ya probably should believe it.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 27, 2009 22:21:21 GMT -5
When people think everything written in a book is okay without question, it leads to disaster.
Salem. Witch. Trials. My favorite example. Impossible to claim it was those bloody Catholics.
And have you seen how many threads here support gay marriage? The arguments against it seem awfully religious.
Plus, it's a disturbing show of sociopathy.
So no, as usual, the little, "If you don't buy it, you shouldn't talk about it" line proves to be ill-thought-out nonsense. Much like the Bible itself.
And you said that there was no defending Hell, because it just was. Along with some stuff about Christ not wanting people to perish & blah blah blah. Sounds an awful lot like you're just trying to defend the concept to someone who has "chosen" not to believe~another statement I have a problem with it. Belief has never been a choice. If I could simply "choose" to believe in God, I wouldn't require evidence.
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Post by thechamp on May 27, 2009 22:30:04 GMT -5
When people think everything written in a book is okay without question, it leads to disaster. It has led to everything good for me, even in the bad, it turns out for the good. That is for me. I don't need to, and I am not required to answer for any church or group of people doing whatever it is that they have done or do. The only thing I care about, is what God says in His word He gave man. What is the duty of man? It is the only thing that any man need care about. If that is something worthwhile to you, then the very same things that apply to me, apply to you. You are, your own man.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 27, 2009 23:27:16 GMT -5
You'd have to have guest-starred in the Matrix to pull off those dodges.
Whatever. Don't answer me, I don't really care.
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Post by ytdn on May 28, 2009 4:30:56 GMT -5
thechamp, please read my signature. Now you know what I think of people putting words in God's mouth. We'll know who was right when we die. Until then, no one has the right to say that they know what God thinks.
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Post by agnosticantagonist on May 28, 2009 11:18:01 GMT -5
Christ doesn't desire any to perish Well, he sure fucked up royally in that regard, didn't he? Nice god you got there. No, it's not. Really it's not. Also, I'm rubber and you're glue, and whatever bounces off me sticks to you. There; now you have no chance at a rejoinder. I totally win.
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Post by Sigmaleph on May 28, 2009 11:54:18 GMT -5
Could you please clarify? Well sure. You have a Bible. Is it the words God gave to man, or no? Its a question all your own. When you answer it for yourself, you have your answer. If you don't believe they are from God, then you can go along your merry way, if you are able. If you do believe they are from God, then only a man who doesn't care what God says, who doesn't think it worthwhile to listen to God, would ignore it. And whatever He says about hell, ya probably should believe it. And here I was thinking I'd get a new angle. Disappointing, but you get used to it after a while. Answer's no, by the way.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 28, 2009 15:14:43 GMT -5
Well sure. You have a Bible. Is it the words God gave to man, or no? Its a question all your own. When you answer it for yourself, you have your answer. If you don't believe they are from God, then you can go along your merry way, if you are able. If you do believe they are from God, then only a man who doesn't care what God says, who doesn't think it worthwhile to listen to God, would ignore it. And whatever He says about hell, ya probably should believe it. And here I was thinking I'd get a new angle. Disappointing, but you get used to it after a while. Answer's no, by the way.Exactly. The second I saw the sentiment, "Hey, you don't believe, you suffer the consequences," it took every ounce of restrain I had just to not say, "Fuck off, troll."
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Post by Paradox on May 28, 2009 17:55:10 GMT -5
They choose to accept what God says, or not. Now even you can't deny this. You think its all balderdash, so be it. If the sum total of my posts are too much for this forum, then do what you gotta do. The point at which you seem to have lost the majority of people here is where you say that they can't deny what you say. The thing is, they not only can, but in fact are denying the validity of what you're saying. It's no use quoting Bible verses to an atheist, because they don't give a shit what the Bible does or does not say. To convince them of anything you're going to have to use logic that is accessible to everyone, and I somehow doubt that you're going to be that convincing to them. This is why I've always maintained that religion is ultimately subjective.
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Post by Vene on May 29, 2009 13:12:30 GMT -5
Sorry, Champ, whether or not Yahweh exists is irrelevant to me as I refuse to worship that genocidal monster.
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Post by doktor on May 29, 2009 15:03:29 GMT -5
Has anyone thought that some beings deserve eternal suffering, anybody in mind?
Thought of creating a new thread, but decided against it.
I believe not even a killer of my (hypothetical) son or lover would deserve ETERNAL suffering.
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Post by wmdkitty on May 29, 2009 15:15:50 GMT -5
Has anyone thought that some beings deserve eternal suffering, anybody in mind? Thought of creating a new thread, but decided against it. I believe not even a killer of my (hypothetical) son or lover would deserve ETERNAL suffering. Child abusers, pedophiles, rapists, and woman-abusers. They deserve an eternity on the receiving end of their crimes.
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