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Post by wmdkitty on May 27, 2011 20:02:36 GMT -5
All the violence associated with the drug trade comes directly from prohibition. The government has, in effect, created a criminal class, and all over a fucking PLANT. Again regardless of the prohibition, if you buy drugs you are supporting people who hurt others. So there is a victim. Unless you make of grow the drug yourself you have to by it in order to take it. So when you buy the devils lettuce you are indirectly hurting people. And AGAIN, if it weren't for PROHIBITION... |
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Post by Kit Walker on May 27, 2011 20:02:46 GMT -5
All the violence associated with the drug trade comes directly from prohibition. The government has, in effect, created a criminal class, and all over a fucking PLANT. Crack addicts would be able to hold down jobs and not feel the need to turn to crime if only it was legal? Heroin addicts? Meth heads? Weed is not the only goddamed illegal intoxicant out there. Either way, it has absolutely fucking nothing to do with the damned discussion at hand. Weed is illegal. Possessing weed is illegal, growing weed is illegal, and selling it is illegal. The police don 't get to selectively enforce laws, not in this way. |
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Post by Vene on May 27, 2011 20:07:22 GMT -5
All the violence associated with the drug trade comes directly from prohibition. The government has, in effect, created a criminal class, and all over a fucking PLANT. Funny, alcohol fueled fights happen and it's legal. |
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Post by m52nickerson on May 27, 2011 20:08:37 GMT -5
And AGAIN, if it weren't for PROHIBITION... ...and if frogs had wings they would not bounce their ass off the ground. You know there is a prohibition. You know it is against the law. You know to what kind of people the money goes. You still choose to buy. You can try to shift the blame any where you would like. You can shout anything you like. None of it will change the facts of the matter. So stay in denial all you want. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on May 27, 2011 21:40:55 GMT -5
All the violence associated with the drug trade comes directly from prohibition. The government has, in effect, created a criminal class, and all over a fucking PLANT. No it does not from prohibition. Because even if something is legal it's weaker and in smaller doses than you can get illegally. And someone is always wanting to sell to a desperate slob for x2 what it should be worth. And what happens if pot is legal and suddenly the guy has no money? What does he do? He goes and robs someone so he has money to get his LEGAL drugs. Don't tell me it's because of prohibition. |
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Post by wmdkitty on May 27, 2011 21:42:05 GMT -5
That's funny, Nick. I'm obviously "in denial". EVEN THE DAMN COPS AGREE that the War on Drugs should end! www.leap.cc/The social impacts of the War on Drugs are far worse than any social impact of legalization and regulation could possibly have. Look at the (admittedly few) countries that have, in fact, legalized and regulated currently illegal drugs -- crime rates drop drastically! |
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Post by m52nickerson on May 27, 2011 21:52:18 GMT -5
That's funny, Nick. I'm obviously "in denial". EVEN THE DAMN COPS AGREE that the War on Drugs should end! www.leap.cc/The social impacts of the War on Drugs are far worse than any social impact of legalization and regulation could possibly have. Look at the (admittedly few) countries that have, in fact, legalized and regulated currently illegal drugs -- crime rates drop drastically! I agree that it should end as well. That does not change the fact that drugs are right now illegal, nor does it change any of the other facts of the matter. You trying to argue that it is not your fault your supporting violence when buying drugs is denial. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 27, 2011 22:24:19 GMT -5
Okay, so what if it's because of prohibition, WMD Kitty? Guess what that changes?
Not a single thing. Because it still happens, regardless of the cause. And it's still a crime, regardless whether it should be or not. And even if it's prohibition that causes such a black market, you are still responsible for contributing.
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Post by dasfuchs on May 27, 2011 22:26:43 GMT -5
Unless you have a history of being "damaging" to others when intoxicated, in which case becoming intoxicated immediately effects them as well. Or in my uncle's case where we tried to get him to stop drinking, each time he'd drink anything alcoholic it had the whole family physically trying to stop him to the point his kids were crying rivers The abusive actions are what are harming others, not the alcohol itself. Not once have I ever heard of anyone being assaulted by a container of beer. And if you argue the route of people being worried about health from excessive drinking, well then, just about every activity has victims. Too many video games. Too much fattening food. Working too much to spend any time with the kids. Too much time on the computer. And so on. Not even Superman can make the leap in logic from "Someone gets drunk and beats people" to "Drinking always creates a victim." I'm not denying that addiction can be a serious problem, but I am saying that it's ridiculous to blame a substance when there are a lot of responsible users that *don't* create victims. Addictions need to be dealt with on an individual basis, not by making blanket statements that anyone who consumes X does Y. Read the quote. "The act of becoming intoxicated". As I said, if you have a history of such, it immediately...or even prior if people know where you're going...has negative effects upon people. It's not victimless. |
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Post by dasfuchs on May 27, 2011 22:30:08 GMT -5
And AGAIN, if it weren't for PROHIBITION... ...and if frogs had wings they would not bounce their ass off the ground. You know there is a prohibition. You know it is against the law. You know to what kind of people the money goes. You still choose to buy. You can try to shift the blame any where you would like. You can shout anything you like. None of it will change the facts of the matter. So stay in denial all you want. Reminds me of an old co worker of mine. He bitched up a storm people were stealing his stuff out of his house and garage. Then he turns around and brags how he got a "special" price from people he knew that stole shit...It never dawned on him that he is actively motivating people to do what he's complaining about |
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Post by jackmann on May 27, 2011 22:31:08 GMT -5
And again, this is all irrelevant to the discussion. Whether or not drugs should be illegal, they are illegal.
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Post by dasfuchs on May 27, 2011 22:32:45 GMT -5
That's funny, Nick. I'm obviously "in denial". EVEN THE DAMN COPS AGREE that the War on Drugs should end! www.leap.cc/The social impacts of the War on Drugs are far worse than any social impact of legalization and regulation could possibly have. Look at the (admittedly few) countries that have, in fact, legalized and regulated currently illegal drugs -- crime rates drop drastically! Should end, yes Continuing to buy, thus giving money to and supporting the criminal thugs that are out to get their profit no matter who it hurts is STILL FUCKING WRONG! |
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Post by wmdkitty on May 27, 2011 23:15:43 GMT -5
AND THOSE "CRIMINALS" ARE, BY AND LARGE, CREATED BY THE GOVERNMENT'S PROHIBITION EFFORTS!
So, end prohibition, end drug violence, problem solved.
Unfortunately, as with ALL things in politics, if you follow the money, you'll quickly discover that the anti-drug hysteria is fueled in large part by the prison and corrections industry -- the very people who profit from prohibition efforts.
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Post by jackmann on May 27, 2011 23:22:31 GMT -5
Look, could those of you stuck on the war on drugs make a thread for that? It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
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Post by wmdkitty on May 27, 2011 23:44:07 GMT -5
Look, could those of you stuck on the war on drugs make a thread for that? It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. On the contrary, it is EXACTLY what we should be discussing. If it weren't for the war on drugs, cops wouldn't "need" the "freedom" to infringe on basic civil rights. It is the War on Drugs itself that has led to the erosion of basic rights and freedoms in America, starting with Prohibition in the '20's, when the government first decided to try and legislate morality. The War on Terrorism has only accelerated this erosion. But, you know, if you WANT to be strip-searched for a domestic flight, and give up all your rights... hey... go right ahead. |
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