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Post by Vene on May 28, 2011 12:05:57 GMT -5
I was taking an afternoon nap when the hemorrhaging started while my toddler napped in his room when I woke up to find blood gushing upward from my body. Though I didn't know it at the time, I was experiencing a placental abruption, a complication my doctor had told me was a possibility. My husband was at work, so I had to do my best to take care of me and my toddler on my own. I managed to get to the phone and make arrangements for both of my children before going to a Chicago hospital.
Everyone knew the pregnancy wasn't viable, that it couldn't be viable given the amount of blood I was losing, but it still took hours for anyone at the hospital to do anything. The doctor on call didn't do abortions. At all. Ever. In fact, no one on call that night did. Meanwhile, an ignorant batch of medical students had gathered to study me -- one actually showed me the ultrasound of our dying child while asking me if it was a planned pregnancy. Several wanted to examine me while I lay there bleeding and in pain. No one gave me anything for the pain or even respected my request to close the door even though I was on the labor and delivery floor listening to other women have healthy babies as the baby I had been trying to save died in my womb.
A very kind nurse risked her job to call a doctor from the Reproductive Health Clinic who was not on call, and asked her to come in to save my life. Fortunately she was home, and got there relatively quickly. By the time she arrived, I was in bad shape. The blood loss had rendered me nearly incoherent, but she still moved me to a different wing and got me the painkillers no one else had during the screaming hours I'd spent in the hospital. After she checked my lab tests, she told us I would need two bags of blood before she could perform the procedure. Her team (a cadre of wonderful students who should all go on to run their own clinics) took turns checking on me and my husband. They all kept assuring me that soon it would be over, and I would feel much better. My husband had to sign the consent for surgery (I was clearly not competent enough to make decisions), and they took me away along with a third bag of blood to be administered during the procedure. www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/05/26/abortion_saved_my_life/index.htmlIf for some insane reason I end up going to med school, shit like this is why I will have to specialize in reproductive medicine, especially abortions. |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 28, 2011 12:11:47 GMT -5
I hope you end up providing late term abortions. Someone has to.
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Post by kristine on May 28, 2011 12:32:11 GMT -5
I don't understand - that would be a miscarriage not an abortion if the pregnancy was not viable. How can the on call doctor claim adherence to the Hippocratic oath knowing the woman was dying of blood loss? That sounds like it should be a law suit.
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Post by Vene on May 28, 2011 12:38:08 GMT -5
I don't understand - that would be a miscarriage not an abortion if the pregnancy was not viable. How can the on call doctor claim adherence to the Hippocratic oath knowing the woman was dying of blood loss? That sounds like it should be a law suit. Because the fetus was still alive, and to save the woman would require killing the fetus, which is an abortion. |
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Post by foolishwisdom on May 28, 2011 12:40:52 GMT -5
Pro-life my ass, these people aren't interested in saving lives, that's just a ruse. These people are pro-birth, and you'll birth the baby(s) no matter what the circumstances are.
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Post by Hyperio on May 28, 2011 12:45:38 GMT -5
This reminds me of Alicja Tysiąc case - for "pro-lifers", fetus' rights > woman's rights - even if ignoring woman's rights means you end up with family losing a breadwinner (because of woman's loss of health and subsequent loss of job) or mother (bad pregnancy killing the woman). |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 28, 2011 12:55:25 GMT -5
No, they're not even pro-birth, JesterKatz. Because they don't actually seem to be at all concerned about women actually giving birth. They're anti-"interference with the natural order".
EDIT: I just read the comments in this article.
Rage. So much misdirection, misinformation, and vitriolic lies from anti-choicers.
You know what? Fuck what they want to be called, I'm calling them anti-choicers from now on, even the ones who truly believe what they're saying.
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Post by chagen on May 28, 2011 14:47:39 GMT -5
This reminds me of Alicja Tysiąc case - for "pro-lifers", fetus' rights > woman's rights - even if ignoring woman's rights means you end up with family losing a breadwinner (because of woman's loss of health and subsequent loss of job) or mother (bad pregnancy killing the woman). Ugh. Stop strawmanning. I'm a pro-lifer (a horribly mild one; I want abortions to be freely available and legal in all of the US; I just wish that we could educate people better so we need abortions so often) and I am appalled at things like this. |
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Post by VirtualStranger on May 28, 2011 14:50:11 GMT -5
This reminds me of Alicja Tysiąc case - for "pro-lifers", fetus' rights > woman's rights - even if ignoring woman's rights means you end up with family losing a breadwinner (because of woman's loss of health and subsequent loss of job) or mother (bad pregnancy killing the woman). Ugh. Stop strawmanning. I'm a pro-lifer (a horribly mild one; I want abortions to be freely available and legal in all of the US; I just wish that we could educate people better so we need abortions so often) and I am appalled at things like this. You've just described the position of most pro-choice advocates. It sounds like you've created such a false strawman of Pro-choicers that you don't even realize that you are one yourself. |
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Post by chagen on May 28, 2011 14:52:11 GMT -5
I identify as Pro-Life because I don't really think that abortions are a good idea when they're just to get rid of a baby you don't want to raise (which is absolutely disturbing to me).
But I'm not the government, so I'm just gonna live my life and let you live yours.
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Post by Vene on May 28, 2011 14:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by VirtualStranger on May 28, 2011 14:56:17 GMT -5
Again, that position is perfectly compatible with the pro-choice label, and many who use the label to describe themselves hold that exact position. Notice the "choice" part of pro-choice.
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Post by ironbite on May 28, 2011 14:56:32 GMT -5
.....didn't you just say you weren't going to go on moral crusades and here you are on a moral crusades?
Ironbite-did you learn progress from TNA by any chance?
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Post by chagen on May 28, 2011 14:57:12 GMT -5
That was the argument for abortion I heard all the time. That women should be able to just kill the fetus just because they don't want to take care of it.
If they aren't economically well-off enough to take care of it/are going to die if they don't abort it, is a different situation completely
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Post by VirtualStranger on May 28, 2011 15:02:31 GMT -5
Then the argument you heard was probably nothing more than another strawman constructed by those who would want to ban abortion in ALL circumstances.
If a woman is economically, physically, and mentally prepared to take care of a child, they usually do.
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