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Post by Vene on May 28, 2011 15:09:07 GMT -5
Then the argument you heard was probably nothing more than another strawman constructed by those who would want to ban abortion in ALL circumstances. If a woman is economically, physically, and mentally prepared to take care of a child, they usually end up doing just that. is a breakdown of the actual reasons. * 25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
* 21.3% Cannot afford a baby
* 14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
* 12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
* 10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
* 7.9% Want no (more) children
* 3.3% Risk to fetal health
* 2.8% Risk to maternal health
* 2.1% Other |
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Post by Thejebusfire on May 28, 2011 16:14:32 GMT -5
I'd sue the doctor.
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Post by Vene on May 28, 2011 16:21:55 GMT -5
Federal law allows for doctors to decline to give abortions.
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Post by Hyperio on May 28, 2011 17:37:46 GMT -5
Actually believing that all abortions are not justified from the point of view of preserving life is an unrealistic view - there are cases WHERE YOU CANNOT SAVE LIFE OF FETUS AND YOU *HAVE* TO ABORT THE PREGNANCY IN ORDER TO SAVE A HUMAN LIFE!
I apologize for shouting, but chagen is being ignorant and accusing me of creating straw-men. Besides, a question to chagen: do you give money to charities that take care of women that lost health and job because they couldn't abort? If not, why not?
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Post by chagen on May 28, 2011 17:39:59 GMT -5
Actually believing that all abortions are not justified from the point of view of preserving life is an unrealistic view - there are cases WHERE YOU CANNOT SAVE LIFE OF FETUS AND YOU *HAVE* TO ABORT THE PREGNANCY IN ORDER TO SAVE A HUMAN LIFE! I apologize for shouting, but chagen is being ignorant and accusing me of creating straw-men. Besides, a question to chagen: do you give money to charities that take care of women that lost health and job because they couldn't abort? If not, why not? When did I say that abortion was wrong in the case of life-threatening situations? Actually learn to fucking read. |
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Post by Vene on May 28, 2011 17:40:45 GMT -5
Besides, a question to chagen: do you give money to charities that take care of women that lost health and job because they couldn't abort? If not, why not? Because he's a stupid teenager. |
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Post by chagen on May 28, 2011 17:43:28 GMT -5
I'm not legally allowed to have a job, you stupid fuck.
How the fuck do you expect to give to a charity when I have no money?
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Post by The_L on May 28, 2011 17:45:53 GMT -5
I'm not legally allowed to have a job, you stupid fuck. How the fuck do you expect to give to a charity when I have no money? 1. You don't get an allowance? 2. Federal labor laws set the limit at 14. There are limits to how LONG you can work, but you are still legally hirable. |
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Post by Magnizeal on May 28, 2011 17:46:44 GMT -5
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Post by Smurfette Principle on May 28, 2011 17:47:22 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Chagen, I can see what you are saying. However, most people are human beings, and don't abort because "they don't want to take care of it." There are usually extenuating circumstances involved, and while I agree with you that people shouldn't just abort whenever they feel like it, I'm still pro-choice, and I know that most people don't abort whenever they feel like it.
Also, the charity thing is a hypothetical question. They are not actually asking if you would actually give your own money to charity at this point. That you believe otherwise shows that you need to work on your reading comprehension skill.s
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Post by Hyperio on May 28, 2011 17:53:35 GMT -5
Actually believing that all abortions are not justified from the point of view of preserving life is an unrealistic view - there are cases WHERE YOU CANNOT SAVE LIFE OF FETUS AND YOU *HAVE* TO ABORT THE PREGNANCY IN ORDER TO SAVE A HUMAN LIFE! I apologize for shouting, but chagen is being ignorant and accusing me of creating straw-men. Besides, a question to chagen: do you give money to charities that take care of women that lost health and job because they couldn't abort? If not, why not? When did I say that abortion was wrong in the case of life-threatening situations? Actually learn to fucking read. I didn't say anything there about you, but I said about so-called "pro-life" movement in general - the fact that they want to forbid all abortions regardless of the cause (both in USA and in Poland). This was what I actually said: This reminds me of Alicja Tysiąc case - for "pro-lifers", fetus' rights > woman's rights - even if ignoring woman's rights means you end up with family losing a breadwinner (because of woman's loss of health and subsequent loss of job) or mother (bad pregnancy killing the woman). The fact that you don't have any money does not itself lock you from helping the poor and disabled women - there is something called volunteering, which can be done by all capable people of all ages. All it needs is some time and good will - the latter apparently you don't have (because you stooped to slinging insults, and we all see you have both time and ability to use a computer). ETA. I asked about charities, not because chagen should send them money (or volunteer working for them), but because "pro-lifers" as a movement tend to support so-called conservative social policies - which basically is translated into both anti-abortion AND doing cuts to government social help (including health care for mothers). |
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Post by Old Viking on May 28, 2011 18:00:37 GMT -5
I could have sworn this thread started as a description of Vene's horrifying experience.
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on May 28, 2011 18:03:03 GMT -5
It really makes me scratch my head when "pro lifers" are "pro" refusing to intervene in circumstances where the baby will die anyway and refusing to intervene will probably kill the mother as well. WTF is pro "life" when you get double the death for your pro lifeness?
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Post by Smurfette Principle on May 28, 2011 18:32:08 GMT -5
It really makes me scratch my head when "pro lifers" are "pro" refusing to intervene in circumstances where the baby will die anyway and refusing to intervene will probably kill the mother as well. WTF is pro "life" when you get double the death for your pro lifeness? Consistency and lack of frontal lobe activity. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 28, 2011 18:58:38 GMT -5
Though to be fair, some pro-lifers DO advocate abortions when the fetus threatens the mother's life, because it's freaking common sense.
I was one of them. Now I'm pro-choice.
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