Gay teenager was abducted to a fundie school

[The_L]

I am shocked that a parent who is sociopathic enough to consider "surprise abduction" a good idea, hasn't already set off Child Services years ago.

EDIT: I just read the article, and the Cross Creek website. It's disturbing how even with the downright demonically cruel behavior exhibited by the staff, the website itself sets off no alarm bells, even in an M.Ed. like me. On the surface, it sounds like a normal Christian therapy program, but below the surface is Hell.

[rookie]

Jun 2, 2011 14:50:42 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

Jun 2, 2011 8:31:04 GMT -5 Mlle Antéchrist said:

So glad I'm not the only one who has rage cigarettes whenever a news story pisses me off.

I as reading an article the other day that suggested that cigarettes might be contributing to health problems.

What? I thought they were full of vitamin C and calcium. Is that not true?

[lighthorseman]

Jun 3, 2011 7:48:02 GMT -5 rookie said:

Jun 2, 2011 14:50:42 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

I as reading an article the other day that suggested that cigarettes might be contributing to health problems.

What? I thought they were full of vitamin C and calcium. Is that not true?

According to the latest science, apparently not.

I know, right?

[lighthorseman]

Jun 3, 2011 7:10:40 GMT -5 The_L said:

I am shocked that a parent who is sociopathic enough to consider "surprise abduction" a good idea, hasn't already set off Child Services years ago.

EDIT: I just read the article, and the Cross Creek website. It's disturbing how even with the downright demonically cruel behavior exhibited by the staff, the website itself sets off no alarm bells, even in an M.Ed. like me. On the surface, it sounds like a normal Christian therapy program, but below the surface is Hell.

"normal Christian therapy program" I may be getting cynical in my old age, but any time I encounter any sort of "therapy" that isdependent on ideology or religion, rather than best therapeutic practice, that's a pretty big red flag for me right there.

[Meshakhad]

Jun 3, 2011 4:36:03 GMT -5 Admiral Lithp said:

One thing I learned long ago... that the best way to get a smoker to keep smoking is to consistently remind them of the health issues as if they were stupid 2 year olds. Protip: THEY KNOW, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE REMINDED.

Public school really pushed that in early health classes. Looking back, that's...not cool.

My parents beat school to the punch. See, my paternal grandfather died of lung cancer years before I was born. He was a pack-a-day smoker. My parents informed me of this fact when I was in first grade.

[DeadpanDoubter]

@mrs. Antichrist: I'm sure anyone who fell asleep against your chest would do so purring.

@lhm: Come now, good True Christians need therapy, too, but they don't want a therapist who'll encourage being comfortable with one's sexuality!

[shykid]

Reading about this makes me feel physically ill.

[anti-nonsense]

Jun 3, 2011 12:00:14 GMT -5 Meshakhad said:

Jun 3, 2011 4:36:03 GMT -5 Admiral Lithp said:

Public school really pushed that in early health classes. Looking back, that's...not cool.

My parents beat school to the punch. See, my paternal grandfather died of lung cancer years before I was born. He was a pack-a-day smoker. My parents informed me of this fact when I was in first grade.

my maternal grandfather died of lung cancer when I was five, my parents never failed to point out that he smoked and probably got lung cancer because of it.

[Vypernight]

I'm guessing if a kid fought back and injured the 'staff workers,' they and/or their parents would face charges for assault, attempted manslaughter, or some shit like that.

Personally (Although I'm quite a ways over 18), I'd go for the kill or maiming. Jail has got to be better than this program. Hell, jail has to be better than living with parents who arrange for you to be put in the program!

[Admiral Lithp]

I still can't wrap my head around that this group is literally advertising that it accepts payment to kidnap kids & remold them to "glorify Christ" even if they're "unwilling" & is totally legal.

There is literally no excuse for this.

Edit: At least if I ended up in jail, it would be through my own choice. Another thought I had: What if you injure yourself? The logic being, you'll need medical attention, so they'll have to take you to a hospital where you can try to get some help without creepy old Christian Extremists breathing down your neck.

[DeadpanDoubter]

They'd probably insist on escorting you everywhere, so you'd have to pitch a fit to get the doctors to kick them out-- and then exactly how likely to believe you will the doctors be?

[VirtualStranger]

Jun 3, 2011 14:49:07 GMT -5 Admiral Lithp said:

I still can't wrap my head around that this group is literally advertising that it accepts payment to kidnap kids & remold them to "glorify Christ" even if they're "unwilling" & is totally legal.

There is literally no excuse for this.

Edit: At least if I ended up in jail, it would be through my own choice. Another thought I had: What if you injure yourself? The logic being, you'll need medical attention, so they'll have to take you to a hospital where you can try to get some help without creepy old Christian Extremists breathing down your neck.

The links to most of the stories i posted earlier have said that medical care is practically non-existent for these kids once they get to the camp. And kids cannot leave at all, nor will the staff take them to a medical facility.

So, if you injure yourself, I'd wager that the response you'd get would be somewhere along the lines of "too bad, now back to work."

EDIT: Here are all of those links I posted earlier.
www.caica.org/Hannah%20Neil%20Center.htm
www.caica.org/STORIES%20Survivors%20Jennifer%20Chambard.htm
www.caica.org/STORIES%20Survivor%20Rachel%20Roberts%20PCS.htm
www.caica.org/STORY%20Teen%20behavior%20mod%20camps%20abuse.htm
www.caica.org/My%20Experience%20at%20Carolina%20Springs%20Academy%201-7-07.htm
www.caica.org/OPINIONS%20Grimm.htm

[Admiral Lithp]

I kind of assumed doctor-patient confidentiality was a thing.

Doctors also have computers in their offices, so you could Google that shit.

Edit: I was talking about prior to getting to the camp. As someone pointed out they might be trained to deal with someone rightfully trying to stab them.

Edit 2: That is seriously messed up. Among everything else, how does a therapy center for "violently disturbed" teens not have medical care? How do you see that & not have it raise some alarm bells?

[Vypernight]

Yeah, you're better off going to jail.

[VirtualStranger]

Jun 3, 2011 14:59:29 GMT -5 Admiral Lithp said:

Edit 2: That is seriously messed up. Among everything else, how does a therapy center for "violently disturbed" teens not have medical care? How do you see that & not have it raise some alarm bells?

Posting this because it's relevant.

The worst, by a long shot, was the medical care available at CSA. Or the lack thereof. I as well as several other girls got walking pnemonia, but nothing was done to treat it; we were not even allowed bed rest. It took me four months to fully recover.

I didn't menstruate for over a year, after several months I brought it up to my family rep, and she told me that it was normal for a lot of girls, despite my complaints of phantom cramps and lethargy. Had I been treated or even examined, maybe I wouldn't be on hormonal medications for PCOS, and maybe I would be able to have children in the future without the help of medication.

But that was not the worst -- probably half of the girls were on medication of some sort, and sometimes the medications weren't filled on time, or had been stopped without the patient's knowledge. I was on 60mg of Paxil, and had to go a week without it, despite severe withdrawal.

There was also no detox program for girls with true drug addictions; a girl arrived when I was at level 3, and I remember her crying and vomiting the first few nights from heroin withdrawal. Another girl had to get her appendix removed, and she got an infection from the staples being loose (something along that line). One night, the staples came out, and the night staff just put them back in and used office staples despite her screaming. Nothing further was done.

Sometimes it took up to 6 weeks to get a doctor's appointment, but the parents have to set it up, so it's useless to go through the family rep. Sometimes the staff would refuse to give out things like Dimetapp (because of possible alcohol content) or Tylenol.

To make this very long story short, medical care was not properly administered or taken seriously.

I have bad knees and ankles regardless I was forced to run during the physical activity program every day of the week. Whenever I told staff that I had to stop running due to knee pain I was yelled at and told to keep running. If I did not keep running I would receive a Class 2 and punished.

I actually had my knee give out and I collapsed to the floor. I was told to get back up and stop faking it and keep running. Now both of my knees and ankles are damaged and I require physical therapy and a special knee brace.

I experience pain with activity. Dr. Robert Crist placed me on many different medications. I never became fully zombified to not know what was going on, so I was always calling them on their bull and then they would increase my medications.

When I refused to take all of the drugs I was thrown into the observation room. They often increased my medications. One night they upped them. The next morning I told staff that I didn’t feel good. I was told to knock it off and keep walking. I fell down the stairs but luckily one of my friends grabbed me by the collar. I had to focus on staying conscious because I was so dizzy. I was sent to the nurse who told me to just drink orange juice and that I just had a low sugar level, I drank orange juice and still felt horrible, I couldn’t stand up or stand straight for the matter, and I was dry heaving into a bucket in case I actually threw something up, my throat was raw and I actually tasted my own blood. I was pale. One of my staff wanted to call an ambulance but the nurses refused. They called Kathy Black and I was taken into her office. My blood sugar level and my BP was really low, they sent me to bed. They put me on a new and dangerous medication.

They had to take my pulse every day. I had to have frequent EKG tests. I was always falling asleep, I literally could not stay awake, and I felt horrible and I told the nurses and they took my pulse and told me I was fine and to go back to class. One day when I went to the hospital with my courier. I asked if I could look at my EKG results and saw that my heart was beating only 48 times a minute. I was overdosed twice by the staff at Provo Canyon School.

Once my hand was injured and extremely swollen. PCS staff refused to take me to the hospital and did not inform my mother as required. Pain medication was denied. I was forced by staff to play volleyball and write and do everything I normally would do with this painful, swollen hand. Five days later I was taken to the hospital for x-rays. I still have damage to this hand.

I also sprained my ankle and was taken to get x-rays. The doctor said that I should use crutches but PCS staff did not provide them. Instead I was told to hop. My hip popped out of place once and I fell to the ground and yelled a cuss word. I was punished for swearing and saw the nurse later. I had to hobble because I was in so much pain. I slept on the top bunk because staff refused to move me to a bottom bunk. I had to painfully climb to the top bunk without the use of a ladder. Staff yelled at me and told me to stop being such a faker. I received no treatment for this and had my friend hold my arms through the crack in the door and yank them as hard as she could while I slammed my hip into the wall and popped it back in place. I still have trouble with my hip and it pops in and out now fairly often.

Long story short; they do have medical care, but it's probably only there to keep the facility from getting shut down. They literally do absolutely nothing to help you, you're just told to "deal with it and stop faking."