Gay teenager was abducted to a fundie school

[Leander]

The links Virtual Stranger posted are some of the most horible things I've ever read. This were the first texts I was not able to read completly. This is just atrocious (if this is the strongest existing english word for "absolut menschenverachtend grauenhaft"...).
Is there anything that can be legally done agianst such institutions (like drowning them in lawsuits)?

[anti-nonsense]

those links made me feel physically ill. Really.

there have been lawsuits against these places, and some of them have been shut down, but they keep opening new ones and some of them are in places with lax standards like Mexico so they can't be shut down.

[clockworkgirl21]

I've always been disgusted at how few rights people under 18 have under the law. Your parents are your guardians, not your owners. They shouldn't be allowed to arrange for you to be taken against your will in the middle of the night to anywhere just because you haven't reached your 18th birthday.

[Admiral Lithp]

Yeah, I read that last one. And now I read the first one.

The more of these I read, the more horrifying it gets.

Leg Brace Girl's story probably freaked me out the most. "A drug that paralyzes your lungs while preventing you from passing out."

[shykid]

Jun 3, 2011 15:33:02 GMT -5 clockworkgirl21 said:

I've always been disgusted at how few rights people under 18 have under the law. Your parents are your guardians, not your owners. They shouldn't be allowed to arrange for you to be taken against your will in the middle of the night to anywhere just because you haven't reached your 18th birthday.

This.

Fucked-up bullshit like this is why I got involved with Youth Rights.

[clockworkgirl21]

Have you visited www.youthrights.org?

I've been a member since I was 15-16.

[Thejebusfire]

Jun 3, 2011 14:59:18 GMT -5 VirtualStranger said:

Jun 3, 2011 14:49:07 GMT -5 Admiral Lithp said:

I still can't wrap my head around that this group is literally advertising that it accepts payment to kidnap kids & remold them to "glorify Christ" even if they're "unwilling" & is totally legal.

There is literally no excuse for this.

Edit: At least if I ended up in jail, it would be through my own choice. Another thought I had: What if you injure yourself? The logic being, you'll need medical attention, so they'll have to take you to a hospital where you can try to get some help without creepy old Christian Extremists breathing down your neck.

The links to most of the stories i posted earlier have said that medical care is practically non-existent for these kids once they get to the camp. And kids cannot leave at all, nor will the staff take them to a medical facility.

So, if you injure yourself, I'd wager that the response you'd get would be somewhere along the lines of "too bad, now back to work."

EDIT: Here are all of those links I posted earlier.
www.caica.org/Hannah%20Neil%20Center.htm
www.caica.org/STORIES%20Survivors%20Jennifer%20Chambard.htm
www.caica.org/STORIES%20Survivor%20Rachel%20Roberts%20PCS.htm
www.caica.org/STORY%20Teen%20behavior%20mod%20camps%20abuse.htm
www.caica.org/My%20Experience%20at%20Carolina%20Springs%20Academy%201-7-07.htm
www.caica.org/OPINIONS%20Grimm.htm

Holy shit, I'm actually crying. And I never cry.

[clockworkgirl21]

How are all people involved not in jail?

[Damen]

[VirtualStranger]

The camps themselves are usually outsourced to foreign countries with more lax standards. The group that owns these run them all independently to keep them from being connected to each other. As for the transport services? Turns out that they're perfectly legal.

Not to mention good old-fashioned bribing

EDIT: Ninja'd

[Admiral Lithp]

That's the biggest problem. How are the "transport services" legal?

Edit: They take bribes & accuse the other guy of underhanded dealings. That's real fucking classy.

[VirtualStranger]

Jun 3, 2011 16:58:26 GMT -5 Admiral Lithp said:

That's the biggest problem. How are the "transport services" legal?

Because minors don't have rights, they have owners. Child abuse laws aren't a guarantee of human rights for children, they're merely restrictions on the parent. These companies can exist because they operate under permission of their legal guardians.

[Admiral Lithp]

Now that I think about it, I guess they don't technically do anything your parents wouldn't be allowed to.

But, then again, "Literal adherence to a law has little meaning with no respect to its spirit."

[DeadpanDoubter]

Parents are allowed to torture the gay out of you? SHIT, someone help me kidnap my brothers!

As far as the transporting, aren't there laws about someone who isn't a guardian transporting the child over state lines, let alone to another country?

[VirtualStranger]

Jun 3, 2011 17:15:01 GMT -5 DeadpanDoubter said:

Parents are allowed to torture the gay out of you? SHIT, someone help me kidnap my brothers!

He was talking about the kidnapping transport services, not the camps themselves.