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Post by ltfred on Jun 14, 2011 6:47:07 GMT -5
HA HA HA HA! You're not serious are you? Considering the Australian Light Horse regiments won the first world war for the allies virtually single handed? Yeah, that's not an obvious lie at all*. If you exclude the US^, sure. * The lighthorse were in large part doing irrelevent battle with the Ottoman Empire in a sideshow war. You could reasonably argue that 1 ANZAC did more than their fair share of fighting. But, of course, so did the Canadian 1st Corps. ^ Marines, Navy, Army and Army Air Force, all of which did far more than Australia to win the war. Also the Dutch Navy, Royal Navy, ect. Australia basically decided to abandon Great Britain in 1941/1942, and the army did very little real, relevent fighting after that date, being sidelined by the moron McArthur. The Navy and airforce did do some fighting, though (of course) the US Navy/Air Force did far more, being much larger. |
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Post by rookie on Jun 14, 2011 8:49:08 GMT -5
Come now. We all know who really won WWII. The Invaders, led by Captain America. C'mon now. Haven't you folks studied your history? My history books said Reagen personally went over and basically bitch slapped the communist Nazis into submission. Is that wrong? |
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Post by the sandman on Jun 14, 2011 9:08:49 GMT -5
My 2nd thought was " what does a guy have to do to get the damn Victoria Cross if THIS doesn't qualify?" okay then - if anyone knows - speak up please... Honestly? Usually you have to die. (Non-snarky response: you must have your act of valor verified by at least three reliable and reputable direct witnesses. And you usually have to die.) In my entire service in the BAF I only saw two VCs, and they were both on coffins. |
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Post by the sandman on Jun 14, 2011 9:22:34 GMT -5
Come now. We all know who really won WWII. The Invaders, led by Captain America. C'mon now. Haven't you folks studied your history? My history books said Reagen personally went over and basically bitch slapped the communist Nazis into submission. Is that wrong? Heh. Actually, Reagan, despite his tough-guy posturing, was assigned to limited state-side service due to bad vision when he was activated from the reserves. He first served as a liaison for Port & Transportation before being assigned to the AAF Public Relations office and then the First Motion Picture Unit. Reagan, the hardass cowboy of cowboys, served his entire war stint in Culver City and Burbank, California (except for a short stint in New York City pimping war bonds). He never saw combat. Hell, the closest he ever got to combat was competing for a table at Sardi's during the lunch rush. The most dangerous thing Reagan did during the war was show up for a training film shoot without having his lines memorized (Reagan was notorious for using cue-cards). So much for old Iron-Balls Ronnie. |
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Post by katsuro on Jun 14, 2011 11:39:09 GMT -5
It was us Canadians that were the badass commonwealth troopers, storm troopers and all back in the day, and now... HA HA HA HA! You're not serious are you? Considering the Australian Light Horse regiments won the first world war for the allies virtually single handed? Not to mention how Australia was left to defend the Pacific alone in War2? Just so you know, everything you said is wrong. I suspect from this the Australian history curriculum might be somewhat biased and inaccurate. And by "somewhat" I mean completely. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jun 14, 2011 13:15:20 GMT -5
HA HA HA HA! You're not serious are you? Considering the Australian Light Horse regiments won the first world war for the allies virtually single handed? Yeah, that's not an obvious lie at all*. If you exclude the US^, sure. * The lighthorse were in large part doing irrelevent battle with the Ottoman Empire in a sideshow war. You could reasonably argue that 1 ANZAC did more than their fair share of fighting. But, of course, so did the Canadian 1st Corps. ^ Marines, Navy, Army and Army Air Force, all of which did far more than Australia to win the war. Also the Dutch Navy, Royal Navy, ect. Australia basically decided to abandon Great Britain in 1941/1942, and the army did very little real, relevent fighting after that date, being sidelined by the moron McArthur. The Navy and airforce did do some fighting, though (of course) the US Navy/Air Force did far more, being much larger. You're an idiot. x2. The Americans didn't even enter the war in the Pacific until after Pearl Harbour. Australia had been holding her own for 2 years by that stage. The Light Horse knocked out Beersheba, which, in turn, led to the collapse of the Turkish defences, which, in turn, knocked Turkey out of the War, which, in turn, led directly to Germany's capitulation. Your self loathing is showing. |
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Post by canadian mojo on Jun 14, 2011 13:55:02 GMT -5
The Light Horse knocked out Beersheba, which, in turn, led to the collapse of the Turkish defences, which, in turn, knocked Turkey out of the War, which, in turn, led directly to Germany's capitulation. Your self loathing is showing. And Germany capitulating had nothing to do with the meat grinder that they were throwing their men into in Europe. Or the Canadians handing them their asses at Vimy ridge in the best planned assault of the war and giving them a good idea of what was to come. Or the Americans showing up, late to the party as usual, with a fuckton of fresh men. Just because one pawn makes a seemingly important move doesn't mean the other pieces didn't have equally important roles to play. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jun 14, 2011 13:56:56 GMT -5
The Light Horse knocked out Beersheba, which, in turn, led to the collapse of the Turkish defences, which, in turn, knocked Turkey out of the War, which, in turn, led directly to Germany's capitulation. Your self loathing is showing. And Germany capitulating had nothing to do with the meat grinder that they were throwing their men into in Europe. Or the Canadians handing them their asses at Vimy ridge in the best planned assault of the war and giving them a good idea of what was to come. Or the Americans showing up, late to the party as usual, with a fuckton of fresh men. Just because one pawn makes a seemingly important move doesn't mean the other pieces didn't have equally important roles to play. *sotto voce* I know that  |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jun 14, 2011 16:56:28 GMT -5
*stares at lighthorseman*
*looks over to someone else and twirls his finger by his ear*
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Post by the sandman on Jun 14, 2011 17:25:31 GMT -5
*stares at lighthorseman* *looks over to someone else and twirls his finger by his ear* I've met other Aussies who essentially take the same position on these things. I've also met Americans who swear they won WWI and WWII pretty much all on their own, and who seem entirely unaware of the role played by the French in the American Revolution. I've met Russians who insist Russia single handedly defeated Hitler, Englishmen who say the same thing, and Italians who swear that they defeated Mussolini. I've met Chinese who insist they won the Korean Conflict, Cubans who swear they were the deciding factor in the Spanish American War, and Texans who stubbornly assert that the Alamo was a victory. People will slant it to themselves regardless of actual fact. |
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Post by ltfred on Jun 14, 2011 17:38:08 GMT -5
*stares at lighthorseman* *looks over to someone else and twirls his finger by his ear* I've met other Aussies who essentially take the same position on these things. I've also met Americans who swear they won WWI and WWII pretty much all on their own, and who seem entirely unaware of the role played by the French in the American Revolution. I've met Russians who insist Russia single handedly defeated Hitler, Englishmen who say the same thing, and Italians who swear that they defeated Mussolini. I've met Chinese who insist they won the Korean Conflict, Cubans who swear they were the deciding factor in the Spanish American War, and Texans who stubbornly assert that the Alamo was a victory. People will slant it to themselves regardless of actual fact. The bolded above are the closest to truth. It's not absurd to say that the Russians did the overwhelming majority of the fighting against the Nazis. Nor is it absurd to say that North and South Korea would have been conquered by the US without Chinese involvement. Of course, neither are perfectly accurate. But no national myth is perfectly accurate. |
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Post by ltfred on Jun 14, 2011 17:52:55 GMT -5
The Americans didn't even enter the war in the Pacific until after Pearl Harbour the Japanese entered the war. Well, there wasn't anyone to fight before Japan entered the war. Against the mighty German Pacific Navy. All three ships of it. That's ridiculous. Germany fell apart because a tiny, irrelevent village in Palestine fell? Before Gallipoli, Turkey was involved in WW1 only in name. Zero Ottoman divisions fought on the West front, the major front. The Turks didn't supply some vital resource the Germans couldn't do without. They didn't supply any soldiers. The real victory was won on the Western Front. Germany simply ran out of men. The allies killed too many in battles like the Somme, Passchendaele and so on. Then the Americans joined in, giving the allies a new supply of millions of soldiers. German counterattacks failed, and the remaining low-grade child-soldiers couldn't hold the front. Attrition works. At no point did the Ottomans do anything at all to help the Germans in this front. The allies did, by sending off needed troops to a different enemy for no good reason. |
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 14, 2011 21:58:46 GMT -5
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Canadian" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Australians deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Australian in Australia for 18,728 AUD (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my Australian.
Australian mothers spend years working on a single Australian and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest soldiers known to mankind.
Australians are thrice as sharp as Canadians and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a Canadian can cut through, an Australian can cut through better. I'm pretty sure an Australian could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Australia? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Auistralians of destruction. Even in World War II, Japanese soldiers targeted the men with the Australians first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Australians are simply the best soldiers that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Australians:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Australians in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Australians need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
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Post by davedan on Jun 14, 2011 22:08:29 GMT -5
Man you don't fuck with the Ghurkas those little guys are scary. Maybe not as scary as the old Soviet Mongolian Battallions but fucking scary.
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Post by Meshakhad on Jun 15, 2011 0:01:18 GMT -5
*stares at lighthorseman* *looks over to someone else and twirls his finger by his ear* I've met other Aussies who essentially take the same position on these things. I've also met Americans who swear they won WWI and WWII pretty much all on their own, and who seem entirely unaware of the role played by the French in the American Revolution. I've met Russians who insist Russia single handedly defeated Hitler, Englishmen who say the same thing, and Italians who swear that they defeated Mussolini. I've met Chinese who insist they won the Korean Conflict, Cubans who swear they were the deciding factor in the Spanish American War, and Texans who stubbornly assert that the Alamo was a victory. People will slant it to themselves regardless of actual fact. Hitler defeated Germany, thanks to carrying out one of the dumbest acts in recorded history: Operation Barbarossa. He invaded Russia in the fall, thus leaving himself vulnerable to the most terrifying miltary enemy of all time. The Russians call him "Marshal Winter". Oh, and in the spring, you get to meet his buddy, General Mud. |
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