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Post by lighthorseman on Jun 24, 2011 6:11:18 GMT -5
If she's found to be mentally incompetent she'll still spend her life locked away from society. It'll just be a change of locals and pills instead of being beaten to death. Or until she is deemed to no longer require treatment. Indeed, if it is shown to be a result of PPD (which I strongly suspect) she could be out in only a few months, on appropriate drugs. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jun 24, 2011 16:24:01 GMT -5
Or postpartum psychosis, which is PPD's roid-raging older brother.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jun 25, 2011 2:14:47 GMT -5
If she's found to be mentally incompetent she'll still spend her life locked away from society. It'll just be a change of locals and pills instead of being beaten to death. Or until she is deemed to no longer require treatment. Indeed, if it is shown to be a result of PPD (which I strongly suspect) she could be out in only a few months, on appropriate drugs. You kill someone and they're a lot more hesitant about releasing you. Much higher stakes than someone who has only gone the self-harm/suicide route, or even beat the ever loving shit out of someone else. You cook a baby in a microwave and you're not gonna be a free man (or woman, in this case) for a very, very long time. Unless you're rich. |
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Post by scotsgit on Jun 25, 2011 8:04:34 GMT -5
The guy who shot Regan (I forget his name) John Hinckley Junior. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jun 25, 2011 8:55:56 GMT -5
Or until she is deemed to no longer require treatment. Indeed, if it is shown to be a result of PPD (which I strongly suspect) she could be out in only a few months, on appropriate drugs. You kill someone and they're a lot more hesitant about releasing you. Much higher stakes than someone who has only gone the self-harm/suicide route, or even beat the ever loving shit out of someone else. You are correct right up to here.I think you might be disturbed to find out just how common cases of PPD (or PPP, tip o' the hat to MME. AC) related infanticide are, and how non punitive the treatments tend to be. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jun 25, 2011 8:57:35 GMT -5
The guy who shot Regan (I forget his name) successfully argued that he was not guilty because of insanity. He shot at Regan but didn't kill him, and his ass is STILL in a prison-style mental hospital with no hope in hell for release despite his multiple appeals. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if this woman successfully argues her case for being not guilty by reasons of insanity, she too will be in a very high-security mental facility for the rest of her life. She nuked a baby. Whether she did it because she's sick or did it because she's a terrible human being is no difference. No court in the world would let her back into society. I'm not sure whether to find the determined faith in our judicial systems and mental health services by some of our posters charmingly naive or terrifyingly ignorant. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jun 25, 2011 13:57:26 GMT -5
The guy who shot Regan (I forget his name) successfully argued that he was not guilty because of insanity. He shot at Regan but didn't kill him, and his ass is STILL in a prison-style mental hospital with no hope in hell for release despite his multiple appeals. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if this woman successfully argues her case for being not guilty by reasons of insanity, she too will be in a very high-security mental facility for the rest of her life. She nuked a baby. Whether she did it because she's sick or did it because she's a terrible human being is no difference. No court in the world would let her back into society. I'm not sure whether to find the determined faith in our judicial systems and mental health services by some of our posters charmingly naive or terrifyingly ignorant. I'm not sure whether to find your posts adorably bold or terrifyingly arrogant. |
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Post by musicalbookworm on Jun 25, 2011 14:18:04 GMT -5
I can't believe I agree with LHM on something, but why is everyone raging for blood when this is likely PPD/PPS? We should be doing more to ensure women receive adequate care after pregnancy including mental health. My understanding is that some form of PPD is quite common (though usually no so severe) Also we need to allow women to talk honestly about their feelings and the difficulties in dealing with a new born. Women need to know the symptoms of PPD and where to go for help and to receive that help.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jun 25, 2011 15:07:24 GMT -5
In fairness, I think it's only natural to have a visceral reaction when you hear about something as horrific as this. It's very easy to speak out of anger -- we've all done it at some point in time.
That being said, I agree that society needs to devote more resources to the recognition and treatment of PPD/PPP. Aside from the worst case scenarios like this incident, the more common varieties often lead to women believing that they're horrible people for not being happy that they have a new baby, which prevents a lot of mothers from seeking out the help they need, lest they face judgment.
Of course, even without PPD, suddenly having an infant to take care of isn't always going to be sunshine and rainbows -- having moments where you find yourself missing the freedom you used to have, or thinking, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?" during all of the 4AM colic and overflowing diapers is perfectly normal. Obviously, I can't say exactly what it's like to be a new parent, given that I don't have any children of my own, but I can tell you that even just taking care of a new kitten or puppy has been stressful at times -- I can only imagine how many millions of times more difficult it is when you're raising a tiny human being.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jun 25, 2011 16:38:21 GMT -5
Unless she thought the baby was a fucking demon bent on destroying the world she still voluntarily and knowing took an innocent life. The people who get put in a mental hospital for killing another human being all tend to have been so fucked in the head they thought the world rested on on killing whoever they kill. Having Asperger's doesn't give you a free pass to be a complete cock so PPD/PPP doesn't give you a free pass on killing another human being. Unless the woman was delusional I really don't see how anyone who you'd want roaming society could possibly think "I should microwave my six week old child."
And caring for an infant is hard as fuck. All they know how to do is cry, eat, poop, and piss. And it takes a few weeks to get pooping down without it being a terrifying experience.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jun 25, 2011 20:20:19 GMT -5
^^ That's why I brought up postpartum psychosis. PPD wouldn't necessarily qualify as legal insanity (though possibly a mitigating factor; depends on the specifics), whereas PPP often comes with the sort of delusions you're describing, hence the "psychosis" part.
If this chick wasn't delusional or otherwise psychotic, she can rot in jail.
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