Happy 4th of July! America, Woo!

[Vene]

Jul 5, 2011 18:25:02 GMT -5 starseeker said:

So what was the article about anyway, since there's been a bad attempt at a burn?

*popcorn*

Some skinheads are being charged because they committed a hate crime against Native Americans.

[lighthorseman]

Jul 5, 2011 18:25:02 GMT -5 starseeker said:

So what was the article about anyway, since there's been a bad attempt at a burn?

*popcorn*

Johnny and Lisa Bonta, a Native family from the Reno Sparks Indian Colony, became the latest victims of a hate crime on May 24 when they were attacked at a gas station along I-80 in Fernley, Nevada, a border town between the Fallon and Pyramid Lake Indian reservations.

¡°I was pumping gas at Quick Stop on our way to Reno to look for another job when these skinheads in a blue car drove by real slow and checked us out. The driver jumped out with a baseball bat, and I asked them ¡®why you holding a bat?¡± said Bonta. ¡°He said ¡®let¡¯s do this¡¯ and tried to pick a fight. I don¡¯t know how to explain what happened¡ªwe didn¡¯t do anything to them.¡±

Bonta, a Paiute member of the Reno Sparks Indian Colony, tried to avoid the confrontation by telling them he didn¡¯t want to fight. He got back in the car, with his son-in-law Shane Murray at the wheel, and they quickly drove away with the carload of skinheads in close pursuit.

As they approached the freeway ramp, they were cut off as the blue car swerved in front of them, then slammed on the brakes, causing Murray to crash into it. Murray said he recognized one of the attackers as Jacob Cassell, a former classmate and son of retired Lyon County Sheriff officer Jim Cassell.

¡°They all jumped out of the car with baseball bats, knives and a crowbar, and we knew they were going to hurt us,¡± said Lisa Bonta, in an interview from Washoe Medical Center, where she was in treatment for seizures she suffers.

The fight broke out on the highway after 1 p.m. and while traffic was passing by, no one would stop to help them. Lisa and her daughter, Alyssa, were terrified watching the brutal and bloody fight as her unarmed husband and son-in-law tried to fight off the three young men in their 20s.

¡°I saw one of them hit my husband in the head with a bat, and the other one was trying to cut off his braid with a knife. Johnny was covered in blood and they just kept hitting him with a crow bar. They even tried to slit his throat,¡± she added.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.co....d-by-skinheads/

Article then goes on to tell how he was arrested, while the attackers weren't. He was denied medical treatment in prison, while the attackers boasted of their exploits on facebook.

This thread is intended as a criticism of the blatant racism and violence, not to mention police corruption and institutional abuse of minorities occuring in the US today.

[lighthorseman]

Jul 5, 2011 18:26:24 GMT -5 Vene said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:25:02 GMT -5 starseeker said:

So what was the article about anyway, since there's been a bad attempt at a burn?

*popcorn*

Some skinheads are being charged because they committed a hate crime against Native Americans.

*weak voice* Thats... not really what the article was about

[Runa]

*facepalm*

*headdesk*

Oh my newly shorn head... *rubs forehead*

LHM, it's one thing to post a link to an article and make comments about your opinion of it and the Americans' sense of jingoistic superiority.

It's another to deliberately flamebait and be a dick.

One makes you offering a chance for intelligent discussion. The other makes you an arsehole.

Guess which side of the line you're own?

[Vene]

Jul 5, 2011 18:27:54 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:26:24 GMT -5 Vene said:

Some skinheads are being charged because they committed a hate crime against Native Americans.

*weak voice* Thats... not really what the article was about

Ah, my bad

ETA: To be fair, I read it when you posted the whole thing and it was nigh incomprehensible due to the formating fail.

[lighthorseman]

Jul 5, 2011 18:27:56 GMT -5 Runa said:

*facepalm*

*headdesk*

Oh my newly shorn head... *rubs forehead*

LHM, it's one thing to post a link to an article and make comments about your opinion of it and the Americans' sense of jingoistic superiority.

It's another to deliberately flamebait and be a dick.

One makes you offering a chance for intelligent discussion. The other makes you an arsehole.

Guess which side of the line you're own?

Um, the first one, obviously.

[lighthorseman]

Jul 5, 2011 18:28:47 GMT -5 Vene said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:27:54 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

*weak voice* Thats... not really what the article was about

Ah, my bad

I thoughtyou said you read it?

[Runa]

Jul 5, 2011 18:29:02 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:27:56 GMT -5 Runa said:

*facepalm*

*headdesk*

Oh my newly shorn head... *rubs forehead*

LHM, it's one thing to post a link to an article and make comments about your opinion of it and the Americans' sense of jingoistic superiority.

It's another to deliberately flamebait and be a dick.

One makes you offering a chance for intelligent discussion. The other makes you an arsehole.

Guess which side of the line you're own?

Um, the first one, obviously.

Not with a douchebag title like the one you've chosen.

I freely admit I've made snarky titles in the past, but this is deliberate flamebaiting... and I wouldn't attack a country around its national day. That's a touch low in my eyes.

[Vene]

Jul 5, 2011 18:29:02 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:27:56 GMT -5 Runa said:

*facepalm*

*headdesk*

Oh my newly shorn head... *rubs forehead*

LHM, it's one thing to post a link to an article and make comments about your opinion of it and the Americans' sense of jingoistic superiority.

It's another to deliberately flamebait and be a dick.

One makes you offering a chance for intelligent discussion. The other makes you an arsehole.

Guess which side of the line you're own?

Um, the first one, obviously.

Read it, had issues due to fucked formatting, didn't retain.

[Thejebusfire]

Has nothing to do with the arguement, but...

[lighthorseman]

Jul 5, 2011 18:31:29 GMT -5 Runa said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:29:02 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

Um, the first one, obviously.

Not with a douchebag title like the one you've chosen.

I freely admit I've made snarky titles in the past, but this is deliberate flamebaiting... and I wouldn't attack a country around its national day. That's a touch low in my eyes.

Can you think of a better time to confront people over their jingoistic sense of superiority?

[ironbite]

Any time other then then?

[lighthorseman]

Jul 5, 2011 18:44:37 GMT -5 ironbite said:

Any time other then then?

I disagree.

[Runa]

Jul 5, 2011 18:41:56 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:31:29 GMT -5 Runa said:

Not with a douchebag title like the one you've chosen.

I freely admit I've made snarky titles in the past, but this is deliberate flamebaiting... and I wouldn't attack a country around its national day. That's a touch low in my eyes.

Can you think of a better time to confront people over their jingoistic sense of superiority?

Yes, when people are a little past the flush of jingoistic superiority which a national day can provoke and are more likely to examine an issue critically instead of reacting to blatant flamebaiting.

[lighthorseman]

Jul 5, 2011 18:48:45 GMT -5 Runa said:

Jul 5, 2011 18:41:56 GMT -5 lighthorseman said:

Can you think of a better time to confront people over their jingoistic sense of superiority?

Yes, when people are a little past the flush of jingoistic superiority which a national day can provoke and are more likely to examine an issue critically instead of reacting to blatant flamebaiting.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

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