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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 5, 2011 19:00:33 GMT -5
Not with a douchebag title like the one you've chosen. I freely admit I've made snarky titles in the past, but this is deliberate flamebaiting... and I wouldn't attack a country around its national day. That's a touch low in my eyes. Can you think of a better time to confront people over their jingoistic sense of superiority? It might have worked better if... IT HAD OCCURRED ON THE FOURTH OF JULY. You nitwit. ETA: I don't really see any Americans posting shit from Australia and going 'har har'. |
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Post by Oriet on Jul 5, 2011 19:01:35 GMT -5
You're the one that started the argument over The Rules, of which you're the only one here who's not been understanding them even when directly pointed out. By your logic that doesn't reflect well on Australia, now, does it? If you wish to press the point I could always warn the person responsible for derailing the thread from the OP... I've already apologised about the rule thing, and tried to restart the thread in a format that would be in keeping with everyone else's expectations of what "the rules" say. I've tried, repeatedly, to return the discussion to the OP. And still people are banging on about the rules, including the moderator. I, and others, have only been "banging on" about them cause someone was being obtuse about understanding them and not listening to the citations and clarifications of them. Listen to the people clarifying the rules, especially the moderator that's been kind enough to let some stuff slide (I could have given a warning about the repeat thread), then bring up the points you wish to make about the article. The latter of which you've done now. Can you think of a better time to confront people over their jingoistic sense of superiority? Yes, when people are a little past the flush of jingoistic superiority which a national day can provoke and are more likely to examine an issue critically instead of reacting to blatant flamebaiting. They're probably not past their surge of nationalism on the day that many are still recovering from hangovers from and picking up burnt remnants of the past night's festivities. [Edited to fix formatting tags.] |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 5, 2011 19:07:59 GMT -5
Can you think of a better time to confront people over their jingoistic sense of superiority? It might have worked better if... IT HAD OCCURRED ON THE FOURTH OF JULY. You nitwit. Um... you're missing the point, again. a. Who said "har har"? I sure as shit wasn't laughing. b. When Australia is presenting itself as global policeman, involving itself in the politics of other nations against their will, claiming itself to be some sort of moral beacon of liberty and democracy, exceptional and special ahead of all other nations, feel MORE than free to cite examples of massive corruption and blatant racism and repression of the weakest members of Australian society that show just how hypocritical such unwarranted delusions of grandeur are. Please do. |
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Post by Runa on Jul 5, 2011 19:09:06 GMT -5
Yes, when people are a little past the flush of jingoistic superiority which a national day can provoke and are more likely to examine an issue critically instead of reacting to blatant flamebaiting. You are entitled to your opinion, of course. 'Invasion day' protests amid Australia Day debate
I'm assuming by now you're aware of the fact there's Aboriginal blood in my family. My aunt calls it 'Invasion Day' and given that she identifies as and is confirmed as Aboriginal, she has a legitimate call. If a Native American had posted something about this article on the 4th of July, they'd have fair call to be critical and even insulting about it. But you're a privileged White Anglo-Saxon Privileged Australian. You could raise the same point in a more polite manner if you were serious about debate. But no, you're about flamebaiting and being a dick. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 5, 2011 19:12:06 GMT -5
I'm assuming by now you're aware of the fact there's Aboriginal blood in my family. My aunt calls it 'Invasion Day' and given that she identifies as and is confirmed as Aboriginal, she has a legitimate call. If a Native American had posted something about this article on the 4th of July, they'd have fair call to be critical and even insulting about it. But you're a privileged White Anglo-Saxon Privileged Australian. You could raise the same point in a more polite manner if you were serious about debate. But no, you're about flamebaiting and being a dick. Double standards for everybody! |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 5, 2011 19:14:51 GMT -5
It might have worked better if... IT HAD OCCURRED ON THE FOURTH OF JULY. You nitwit. Um... you're missing the point, again. a. Who said "har har"? I sure as shit wasn't laughing. b. When Australia is presenting itself as global policeman, involving itself in the politics of other nations against their will, claiming itself to be some sort of moral beacon of liberty and democracy, exceptional and special ahead of all other nations, feel MORE than free to cite examples of massive corruption and blatant racism and repression of the weakest members of Australian society that show just how hypocritical such unwarranted delusions of grandeur are. Please do. No. You're missing the point of being a dick and painting everyone with the same damn brush. (By the way, you were going har har. As in 'har har Americans are so stupid for letting that stuff happen') You don't like it when people all assume you talk like Croc Hunter or Dundee. We don't appreciate it when you talk like we all act like the people in the article. Respect goes both ways. PS: About that 'policeman' thing? You yourself have said you're the forum's. So... by your logic you're the America of FSTDT. You're an asshat. And always will be. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 5, 2011 19:17:25 GMT -5
Um... you're missing the point, again. a. Who said "har har"? I sure as shit wasn't laughing. b. When Australia is presenting itself as global policeman, involving itself in the politics of other nations against their will, claiming itself to be some sort of moral beacon of liberty and democracy, exceptional and special ahead of all other nations, feel MORE than free to cite examples of massive corruption and blatant racism and repression of the weakest members of Australian society that show just how hypocritical such unwarranted delusions of grandeur are. Please do. No. You're missing the point of being a dick and painting everyone with the same damn brush. (By the way, you were going har har. As in 'har har Americans are so stupid for letting that stuff happen') I love the way you assume I mean stuff I never said, and then blast me for it. It never gets old. And where did I say ALL Americans act like this? Of course, rather than getting defensive, why don't you tell me what you, personally, have done to stop things like this happening in future? I have no idea what you have been smoking. I have never claimed to be a policeman, either of this forum or of anything else. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 5, 2011 19:19:37 GMT -5
No? You mean the title isn't your way of saying it? Could've fooled me. Your title says more than you have been. Your general attitude when it comes to American things gives you away.
And yeah. You have ever said that you're trying to make us the way you want us to be. Isn't that being a little controlling and everything else? Not to mention you trying to delete your threads and such when they aren't going the way you want.
ETA- but you're never going to get it. It took two pages for you to realize you were wrong about the guidelines/rules. So just keep on keeping on with what you're doing. Eventually you'll overstep your bounds enough.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 5, 2011 19:24:51 GMT -5
No? You mean the title isn't your way of saying it? Could've fooled me. Your title says more than you have been. Your general attitude when it comes to American things gives you away. Think you're confusing me with ltfred. I'm pro America. Riiiight... quote me? Oh wait, you can't, because hotlinking doesn't work to your imaginationAnd this is in relation to...? ETA: I assume all this is you way of answering this? "Of course, rather than getting defensive, why don't you tell me what you, personally, have done to stop things like this happening in future?" I.e. "nuthin". |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 5, 2011 19:30:59 GMT -5
No? You mean the title isn't your way of saying it? Could've fooled me. Your title says more than you have been. Your general attitude when it comes to American things gives you away. Think you're confusing me with ltfred. I'm pro America. Riiiight... quote me? Oh wait, you can't, because hotlinking doesn't work to your imaginationAnd this is in relation to...? It's in relation to you deleting the first post of this thread. And then going to make a new thread. I don't get how you can't understand that your choice of thread titles need a little work to not be so damn offensive. As for my linking to it, it's somewhere in one of your many Flame and Burn threads. I'm lazy, so sue me. It's there somewhere. The way you come off? Gives a lot away. You don't have to blatantly state something to sense it in your words. Reading between the lines and all. Because really? If you weren't slightly against the US you wouldn't go off and post the topic like this with such a title the day after Fourth of July. But there's no point to this. I'm sure someone else will come along to continue with it. Your little 'what have you done personally to stop things like this' works both ways. Have you done anything personally to stop such things from happening where you live? As for me, I've been getting training and everything else to spot and report things when I can. I reported racism in my school in High School. So... |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 5, 2011 19:45:26 GMT -5
Think you're confusing me with ltfred. I'm pro America. Riiiight... quote me? Oh wait, you can't, because hotlinking doesn't work to your imaginationAnd this is in relation to...? It's in relation to you deleting the first post of this thread. And then going to make a new thread. Yes, me trying to play by the "rules". I didn't delete anything I had said, however, as seemed to be your contention. Provocative. Not offensive. If you were offended by it, good. Maybe it will encourage you to do something about the material. No. Its not. You made it up, I never said anything about being a policeman. OR... it is because I DO have such a high opinion of the US that I want to see excesses like this stopped. If I didn't think so highly of the US, I wouldn't give a shit. Stuff like this happens every day in Pakistan, say. But so what? I know Pakistan is a shithole, and I don't particularly care if it stays that way. I want the US to live up to its claims about how great it is. Pretending this sort of stuff doesn't happen, and that all the self serving populist stuff that goes on on the 4th ofg July is warranted takes away from the ideal. Well... I posted this article... which increases awareness of the issue... as for what I do here to stop things like this from happening, so you want a PM, or what? |
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Post by Distind on Jul 5, 2011 19:55:21 GMT -5
Huh? I cited and quoted appropriately! I'm not claiming authorship! Where do the rules say anything of the sort about not copying entire articles? Blame the law on this one, at least one other forum has been sued over it successfully. Mind you, we quote from them, but still, rights holders get antsy when the entire content of their page is pillaged. That's exactly why the rule is there, it was introduced shortly after the lawsuit was succesful if I remember correctly. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 5, 2011 20:00:18 GMT -5
Huh? I cited and quoted appropriately! I'm not claiming authorship! Where do the rules say anything of the sort about not copying entire articles? Blame the law on this one, at least one other forum has been sued over it successfully. Mind you, we quote from them, but still, rights holders get antsy when the entire content of their page is pillaged. That's exactly why the rule is there, it was introduced shortly after the lawsuit was succesful if I remember correctly. I honestly didn't know. Again, I have apologised. It was not my intent to break any law or breach any copyright, I was just trying to make the damn thing easy to read. Sorry I bothered now. |
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Post by Miles, The Slightly Off on Jul 5, 2011 20:11:20 GMT -5
*hugs everyone again* Now, what did I say about arguing? Especially over pointless things? Everyone will now hug each other in a desperate bid to dispel the feelings of hostility, because happiness. Hugs!  ! |
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Jul 5, 2011 20:22:51 GMT -5
Despite changing your avatar, you are still incredibly cute, Miles. I'd hug you even if there hadn't been such an air of hostility around here lately.  *hugs Miles again* |
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*hugs Miles again*