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Post by syaoranvee on Jul 13, 2011 13:50:06 GMT -5
SourceThis is not something in which you should receive life for.
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Post by booley on Jul 13, 2011 13:52:53 GMT -5
SourceThis is not something in which you should receive life for. I don't think he would have received life if he hadn't' down that last thing in bold. That seemed a tad bit unnecessary |
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Post by Vene on Jul 13, 2011 13:54:59 GMT -5
Using violence against robbers, fine. Using lethal force when outnumbered, fine. Using lethal force against a subdued adversary, not fine.
ETA: A life sentence still seems disproportionate.
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Post by eldalar on Jul 13, 2011 13:55:28 GMT -5
I have to disagree.
Shooting at someone that is trying to rob you or is holding a gun to threaten you -> Self Defense
Killing someone that is trying to rob you or is holding a gun to threaten you -> Self Defense
Killing someone with 5 bullets who is lying unconscious on the floor -> Murder
I am all for Self Defense, but shooting at someone who is already unconscious and thereby posing no threat to your safety is plain and simple murder because you want your revenge or whatever reason he had.
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Post by SimSim on Jul 13, 2011 13:56:12 GMT -5
I suspect it has to do with shooting an unconscious person 5 times. The dude was already unconscious due to the head shot. What was the point of shooting him 5 more times?
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Post by syaoranvee on Jul 13, 2011 14:08:36 GMT -5
I suspect it has to do with shooting an unconscious person 5 times. The dude was already unconscious due to the head shot. What was the point of shooting him 5 more times? How do you know the person will not regain conscious and fire their weapon again? People have been known to get shot in the head and regain consciousness a short while later, it all depends on where in the head. |
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Post by Aqualung on Jul 13, 2011 14:14:14 GMT -5
But in that time he could have taken the guy's weapon and handcuffed or hogtied him until the police arrived instead of pumping him full of lead.
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Post by Vene on Jul 13, 2011 14:16:48 GMT -5
I suspect it has to do with shooting an unconscious person 5 times. The dude was already unconscious due to the head shot. What was the point of shooting him 5 more times? How do you know the person will not regain conscious and fire their weapon again? People have been known to get shot in the head and regain consciousness a short while later, it all depends on where in the head. Call the cops and keep your gun trained on him. This is not difficult. |
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Post by eldalar on Jul 13, 2011 14:19:34 GMT -5
I guess taking his gun away and pointing your gun at him is a good way of keeping him controlled ... or tying him up, calling for help etc.. Anything beside going behind the counter (thereby letting him out of your view), grabbing another gun and shooting him 5 times.
Hell he could have grabbed a baseball bat and knocked him out as soon as he woke up again and he would most likely haven't gotten into that much problems, but shooting him while he is defenseless is murder.
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Post by SimSim on Jul 13, 2011 14:25:00 GMT -5
I suspect it has to do with shooting an unconscious person 5 times. The dude was already unconscious due to the head shot. What was the point of shooting him 5 more times? How do you know the person will not regain conscious and fire their weapon again? People have been known to get shot in the head and regain consciousness a short while later, it all depends on where in the head. I'm sure he would have been unconscious long enough to take his weapon and call the police. Maybe even do all that and find a place to hide, or leave the building to remain safe. |
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Post by itachirumon on Jul 13, 2011 14:35:12 GMT -5
How do you know the person will not regain conscious and fire their weapon again? People have been known to get shot in the head and regain consciousness a short while later, it all depends on where in the head. I'm sure he would have been unconscious long enough to take his weapon and call the police. Maybe even do all that and find a place to hide, or leave the building to remain safe. This, so much this, and the other stuff. That's why I have a vitirolic hatred of Joe Horne.. that and he was a sociopathic fucker who defied 24+ dispatch orders to "remain where the fuck you are" to kill two robbers who broke into his neighbor's house and shot them when they fled. I hold him up as being a horrible, horrible human being and I was disgusted when the CNN polls came out showing at least 60% supporting his actions. |
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Post by syaoranvee on Jul 13, 2011 14:50:00 GMT -5
I'm sure he would have been unconscious long enough to take his weapon and call the police. Maybe even do all that and find a place to hide, or leave the building to remain safe. This, so much this, and the other stuff. That's why I have a vitirolic hatred of Joe Horne.. that and he was a sociopathic fucker who defied 24+ dispatch orders to "remain where the fuck you are" to kill two robbers who broke into his neighbor's house and shot them when they fled. I hold him up as being a horrible, horrible human being and I was disgusted when the CNN polls came out showing at least 60% supporting his actions. I see no better way to kill a couple of theiving rats. Quite frankly, I don't see a reason to treat a person commiting armed robbery with the utmost respect. If you want to brake into someone's home or establishment, you should receive a bullet for your troubles. |
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Post by booley on Jul 13, 2011 14:59:37 GMT -5
.... he was a sociopathic fucker who defied 24+ dispatch orders to "remain where the fuck you are" to kill two robbers who broke into his neighbor's house and shot them when they fled. I hold him up as being a horrible, horrible human being and I was disgusted when the CNN polls came out showing at least 60% supporting his actions. What's that saying? "Mistrust those in which the urge to punish is strong" - Nietzsche This wasnt' about protection, it was about punishment, moral outrage gone amuck. Since they (the robbers) were doing something bad then they were bad and nothing done in return was too extreme. And a large percentage of the human species will always be ok with that. On an emotional level I can understand it. I am no less capable of wanting horrible things to happen to someone I think has done something wrong. Hell I have a list of such people. But then I play it out in my head and realize that if I ever actually acted any of this shit out, I would be a serial killer and just as bad (if not worse) then the people I am judging. I believe most just don't think that far. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jul 13, 2011 15:02:26 GMT -5
I don't think he deserved life.
Maybe 15-20 years.
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Post by Vene on Jul 13, 2011 15:02:32 GMT -5
Vee, you do realize that the men robbing in this circumstance weren't armed, right? Also, you are doing that emotional rage thingy, stop it, it impairs rational thought. Laws should not be decided by emotional manipulation.
You are also using a strawman with "utmost respect" the fuckers who break in or rob or whatever should be punished for it. They should be punished in proportion to their crimes (you know, that whole thing about cruel and unusual punishment). Somebody who is not a threat to another's life should not lose their life. I wouldn't even be upset if the pharmacist unloaded 5 rounds initially, bullets don't always hit and they don't always stop your opponent. But, finishing the robber off after he has been dispatched is hitting vigilante territory.
And you don't fucking execute somebody who is unarmed and helpless. Christ, we're supposed to be better than lowlifes, not use them as a model for behavior. This really isn't different than morons saying we shouldn't allow a mosque because Saudi Arabia doesn't allow churches.
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