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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 13, 2011 17:58:28 GMT -5
Amazing. I can't believe you're actually trying to justify killing an unarmed AND subdued/unconscious person. The amount of dehumanization you're doing is something I would expect to see from the Republican gun nuts, not a liberal. Indeed, sorry for bringing up a different opinion then what the majority of the forum has. Won't happen again. Yeah, sorry, but that's not gonna cut it. This isn't even a case of differing opinions. This is someone defending a murderer saying that they were justified in shooting a, and here, let me bold this for you, unarmed unconscious 16 year old who was likely going to die of the wound anywaysIt ceased being self-defense and became murder. That line was crossed, and denying that makes YOU look bad. It would be like me defending the soldiers who shot civilians for sport just because they were Muslims, saying that they shouldn't have been punished because their targets were Muslims. Granted, religion and crime are two different things, but the fact remains that defending someone for committing murder makes you a monster in your own right. There are some opinions that are wrong. Yours is one of those objectively wrong opinions. |
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Post by nightangel1282 on Jul 13, 2011 18:21:39 GMT -5
Hmm.... he shoots a unarmed, sixteen year old in the head during a robbery attempt. That first shot, I could see as being self defense.
But then getting the other gun and putting FIVE MORE bullets into him? Excessive much? Fucking hell, that's not right!
Fact of life: Some teenagers make some very stupid mistakes, such as attempting to rob a store. Unarmed. This does NOT give the store owner the right to KILL the robber, unless, of course, the man's life was in danger, which was obviously NOT the case here.
I hate reading stories like this...
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Post by Vene on Jul 13, 2011 18:26:11 GMT -5
This is why I think everybody who is allowed to own a gun needs to prove they know the laws for self defense.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Jul 13, 2011 18:28:58 GMT -5
This is why I think everybody who is allowed to own a gun needs to prove they know the laws for self defense. I definitely agree.  |
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Post by RavynousHunter on Jul 13, 2011 18:36:24 GMT -5
Yeah...the extra 5 shots were definite overkill. You can chock up the headshot to self-defense and, likely, chance, but the extra rounds were not called for.
This isn't Halo, you don't get "style points."
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Post by Perturabo on Jul 13, 2011 18:48:02 GMT -5
This is why I think everybody who is allowed to own a gun needs to prove they know the laws for self defense. I'm a little rusty on the laws of self-defense, but this is the gist of what I was taught back in 2008: Defense of life: Lethal force may be authorized, but non-lethal force is preferred. Defense of property: Lethal force is never to be used. The following would fit better in your thread about the irresponsible Arizona state senator, but for guns, I would add that anyone who is unable to recite and practice Cooper's Four Laws of Gun Safety should not be allowed anywhere near one. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 13, 2011 19:35:43 GMT -5
While I'm a bit hesitant about the life sentence, the pharmacist definitely deserves some prison time. Shooting an unconscious person five times -- even if they were attempting to rob you prior to being incapacitated -- isn't self-defence, it's murder.
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Post by Vene on Jul 13, 2011 19:39:47 GMT -5
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 13, 2011 19:49:13 GMT -5
Yeah, given the circumstances, first degree murder seems a bit excessive. The robbery should be treated as a mitigating factor, even if it doesn't entirely excuse his actions. |
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Post by Caitshidhe on Jul 13, 2011 19:55:14 GMT -5
You know, I understand self defense. I even understand unloading a few more shots out of pure fear and adrenaline.
But this guy had to go BEHIND the counter, get another gun, come back, and shoot five more times. And the other guy was unconscious. You can't blame adrenaline anymore. I don't know what this guy's deal was but he definitely overstepped the self-defense line. I don't know if life is appropriate but he definitely deserves jail time.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 13, 2011 20:10:24 GMT -5
I would have gone with a sentence of around 15 years, with a chance of parole after 7 years, give or take, as well as the requirement that he complete several rehabilitory programs before being granted parole.
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Jul 13, 2011 20:27:04 GMT -5
I agree that the sentence was a bit harsh. I can understand him not thinking clearly or something. It doesn't excuse killing an unarmed, unconscious teenager, but it doesn't warrant the same sentence as, say, a premeditated murder.
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Post by Colosphe on Jul 13, 2011 20:35:20 GMT -5
The sentence is harsh, but I can understand it. He specifically went to get another gun to shoot the incapacitated man on the ground... I don't think it's completely premeditated, but he definitely had to plan that a little further than just shooting him again when he hit the ground. I'd rather he got 2nd Degree murder than the life-sentenced 1st Degree, though.
Sad case all around. Hope the other robber gets a LOT of jail time; seems like he'd be the head of the operation, considering he was the one with the gun.
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Post by stormwarden on Jul 13, 2011 20:47:51 GMT -5
The fight was over. There was no reason to put more bullets into an unconscious person. Take away the weapons, evac the place if needed. More likely, take away the weapons and get medical assistance for the guy.
Mercy, have you heard of it?
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 13, 2011 21:21:13 GMT -5
Oh my God. How horrible. A guy's gonna get life JUST for defending himself? I'm outraged. I'm shocked! I'm....
*actually reads what happened*
Oh, right. He actually took time and executed a helpless person. Well, that seems like a reasonable response....
...If you're a freaking psychopath.
I can see the argument for "not getting life," but I can't believe anyone would actually try and justify that kind of execution.
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