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Post by Kit Walker on Jul 20, 2011 22:52:07 GMT -5
So murder (or at least voluntary manslaughter) is reduced to a civil infraction in your world. Huh. What color would the sky be there? |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 20, 2011 23:28:36 GMT -5
So murder (or at least voluntary manslaughter) is reduced to a civil infraction in your world. Huh. What color would the sky be there? If you don't like it, then feel free to hold whatever views of your own you wish on the matter.  |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 21, 2011 0:49:31 GMT -5
So murder (or at least voluntary manslaughter) is reduced to a civil infraction in your world. Huh. What color would the sky be there? If you don't like it, then feel free to hold whatever views of your own you wish on the matter. Your views are rather illogical, I might add. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 21, 2011 0:52:51 GMT -5
Good to know.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 21, 2011 0:53:30 GMT -5
Assuming you're not taking the piss, what's your reasoning behind that? I'm genuinely curious.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 21, 2011 1:10:10 GMT -5
Assuming you're not taking the piss, what's your reasoning behind that? I'm genuinely curious. The way I see it, as long as the murderin' is confined to burglars and such then I don't really think it deserves jail time. Yes, it would be better not to kill them if it can at all be avoided, but if they are killed by an irate store owner, then no big loss really. That's just my subjective opinion though. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 21, 2011 1:44:10 GMT -5
Assuming you're not taking the piss, what's your reasoning behind that? I'm genuinely curious. The way I see it, as long as the murderin' is confined to burglars and such then I don't really think it deserves jail time. Yes, it would be better not to kill them if it can at all be avoided, but if they are killed by an irate store owner, then no big loss really. That's just my subjective opinion though. I don't think you're consciously doing this, but... you're de-humanizing burglars. It's okay to kill burglars, they're just criminals, right? You say it's your subjective opinion, but that doesn't make it somehow protected or anything. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 21, 2011 1:49:51 GMT -5
I don't think you're consciously doing this, but... you're de-humanizing burglars. It's okay to kill burglars, they're just criminals, right? You assume that I think that humans have intrinsic value in the first place. Funny thing, I don't. You say it's your subjective opinion, but that doesn't make it somehow protected or anything. And where, pray tell, did I say it was protected? |
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Post by ironbite on Jul 21, 2011 2:13:05 GMT -5
Cause they're still human fucking beings you twit. I mean....how bout someone comes in and shoots you because you're black. You're just black right? It s not like you're a real person.
Ironbite-that's the extreme you're taking this to.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 21, 2011 2:18:48 GMT -5
Cause they're still human fucking beings you twit. I mean....how bout someone comes in and shoots you because you're black. You're just black right? It s not like you're a real person. Ironbite-that's the extreme you're taking this to. Yes, they're Homo Sapien Sapiens... So? Did you not read what I wrote just above you? Don't rob stores and you won't get shot by a pissed off proprietor. Simple. As for your strawman, well, laugh out loud. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 21, 2011 2:34:07 GMT -5
I don't think you're consciously doing this, but... you're de-humanizing burglars. It's okay to kill burglars, they're just criminals, right? You assume that I think that humans have intrinsic value in the first place. Funny thing, I don't. So... you're a sociopath then? Genuine question. Your overall attitude. |
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Post by Passerby on Jul 21, 2011 2:45:11 GMT -5
To be fair, don't Texan home defense laws allow you to chase down someone to the ends of the earth and put a bullet in them and ach family member they have just for setting foor on so much as your neighbour's property? (Hyperhbole, for the uninitiated) Texans certainly seem to think their laws allow it. www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1375180.php/Texan_kills_2_robbers_while_on_phone_with_911It ceases to be hyperbole when it actually happens. The best these people can hope for is to bargain down to Murder in the 2nd or manslaughter. Add to that reckless endangerment for chasing down and emptying a clip at a fleeing suspect. I was unaware Ersland did that, the text only stated he drove the second gunman off. If he gave chase well off the property grounds that leaves an even larger window for the adrenaline to thin out and takes a sledgehammer to the knees of the panicked response defense. Ersland fell outside the defense scenario first when he left the store to chase the runner, and again when he executed the downed attacker. He claimed he was 'defending' his two co-workers, whom you might have noticed he left alone in the store and that the poor bastard with a bullet in his head was still a threat. What Ersland did was nothing more or less than a cold blooded execution. Murder in the 1st stands, as does the minimum sentence that accompanies it. @ Art Vandelay Would you sing the same tune if cops just blew people's brains out once they were cuffed? This guy was down and out, for all practical intents and purposes he was already in custody and awaiting transportation. Summary executions aren't a form of heroic irony or hard justice, they're just murders you've convinced yourself you shouldn't feel bad about. Kind of like lynchings, Mosque bombings, or WBC. Their victims committed a crime in their eyes, they didn't think any 'justice' should be met with personal guilt or legal repercussions |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 21, 2011 3:06:36 GMT -5
So... you're a sociopath then? Genuine question. Granted, I know I can't prove anything, this being the internet and all, but I assure you I do try not to make life difficult for others if they leave me alone. So in other words, you assumed based on nothing even approaching concrete proof. Good job. |
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Post by malicious_bloke on Jul 21, 2011 3:15:29 GMT -5
Embrace Misanthropy, realise that the vast majority of humans are basically scum that you wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.
Concerns about their "rights" soon start to become irrelevant.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 21, 2011 3:17:24 GMT -5
Would you sing the same tune if cops just blew people's brains out once they were cuffed? This guy was down and out, for all practical intents and purposes he was already in custody and awaiting transportation. Summary executions aren't a form of heroic irony or hard justice, they're just murders you've convinced yourself you shouldn't feel bad about. Did I say he should get off scot-free? No, no I did not. Same goes for me seeing it as heroic justice or some such. Just to make it crystal clear for you, I did agree it's a form of murder and that it should be dealt with. My point is that I happen to think a life sentence is way too excessive. I didn't say I support offing criminals when they're incapacitated now did I? Oh, and let me just take the opportunity to ask y'all that if you wish to discuss this sort of thing with me, could you please actually read and understand what I'm saying before making a response? Don't get me wrong, I've got no problem with people challenging my views. If I did, I wouldn't express them on a public forum. It's just that crappy comprehension leads to stupid questions such as these that challenge a position I never took in the first place. It's just bloody annoying, so please keep it to a minimum, mkay? |
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