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Post by nickiknack on Jul 28, 2011 11:27:45 GMT -5
Beck also ignores that out of all the "1st world nations" we probably have the worse wealth inequity out of them all, and we have a social safety net that has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, but we have better things to spend $$ on such pointless wars, & corporate welfare.
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Jul 28, 2011 11:36:19 GMT -5
America has no poor! America needs no poor!  ...carry on. |
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 28, 2011 12:59:52 GMT -5
Because happiness is something we have been promised in our own country. The pursuit thereof. Opportunity =/= guaranteed success  Too bad the opportunity is barred so many. |
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Post by Vene on Jul 28, 2011 13:15:42 GMT -5
The pursuit thereof. Opportunity =/= guaranteed success Too bad the opportunity is barred so many. Kind of the point of a safety net, to make sure that people retain the opportunity when bad shit happens. Kind of hard to pursue happiness when you're too busy worrying about your next meal. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 28, 2011 17:01:45 GMT -5
Because happiness is something we have been promised in our own country. The pursuit thereof. Opportunity =/= guaranteed success Kinda hard to pursue success when the non-competing champions of the previous race have smashed your legs with a hammer. |
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Post by ltfred on Jul 28, 2011 23:50:27 GMT -5
A certain degree of equality of outcome is necessary for equality of opportunity.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 29, 2011 0:44:44 GMT -5
Beck also ignores that out of all the "1st world nations" we probably have the worse wealth inequity out of them all, and we have a social safety net that has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, but we have better things to spend $$ on such pointless wars, & corporate welfare. Not to defend Beck, but I have to disagree with you there. Take a look at South Africa or China or Saudi Arabia. The inequality there makes the US look like an idealised socialist utopia. Not to mention, the social security may be flawed, but the fact it's there is more than can be said for those other countries I mentioned. |
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Post by davedan on Jul 29, 2011 0:47:52 GMT -5
Beck also ignores that out of all the "1st world nations" we probably have the worse wealth inequity out of them all, and we have a social safety net that has more holes than a block of swiss cheese, but we have better things to spend $$ on such pointless wars, & corporate welfare. Not to defend Beck, but I have to disagree with you there. Take a look at South Africa or China or Saudi Arabia. The inequality there makes the US look like an idealised socialist utopia. Not to mention, the social security may be flawed, but the fact it's there is more than can be said for those other countries I mentioned. Neither South Africa nor China are first world countries. Saudia Arabia - well I thought the Saudi's were all rich it was just their immigrant workers who were poor |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 29, 2011 0:49:14 GMT -5
Not to defend Beck, but I have to disagree with you there. Take a look at South Africa or China or Saudi Arabia. The inequality there makes the US look like an idealised socialist utopia. Not to mention, the social security may be flawed, but the fact it's there is more than can be said for those other countries I mentioned. Neither South Africa nor China are first world countries. Saudia Arabia - well I thought the Saudi's were all rich it was just their immigrant workers who were poor Shit, I misread her post as saying 1st world counties have the worst inequality in the world. Ah well, if you could all ignore that post, that would be swell. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 29, 2011 13:14:38 GMT -5
A certain degree of equality of outcome is necessary for equality of opportunity. This, too. |
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Post by musicalbookworm on Jul 29, 2011 13:56:09 GMT -5
Well said Sandman and others. The truth is, it doesn't terribly bother me that some rich asshole can afford a boat decked out as a tropical island. It bothers me to no end that some rich asshole can afford such a boat while others in our nation cannot afford adequate food, housing, clothing or medical care. Yes, I'm an evil socialist who thinks everyone who works should be able to afford a few little luxuries. If there is any value in the Bible it is found in Matthew 25. (when I was hungry you fed me etc) My church runs a Matthew 25 mission that distributes substantial baskets of food twice a month. We found out this winter that people were parking in the church lot the night before to make sure they were able to get the food. We're a very small church and doing what we can, but we are not meeting the needs of our community. In a civilized society this would not be an issue.
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Post by TWoozl on Jul 29, 2011 20:48:18 GMT -5
Musicalbookworm;
This is going to sound slightly strange coming from a nearly militant atheist, but... please, continue to do exactly what you are doing. I do not agree with Christianity as a whole, but I agree strongly with the nuggets of fellowship and social aid strewn through the teachings. Unfortunately, it's become the fashionable thing to do, to simply blindly point at a Bible and shout "It justifies me!" when a bigoted viewpoint needs to be bruted onto others.
There needs to be more people like you, who have actually chosen to focus on the humanist points of what the faith was actually founded upon. From an atheist? Thank you. I genuinely, truly mean that.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jul 29, 2011 21:40:37 GMT -5
  Where's the HBO and microwave popcorn? |
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Post by matante on Jul 30, 2011 10:20:48 GMT -5
Yeah, the poor can easily get a TV or ten. The Salvation Army nearly gives them away, because of richer households who change them for the new model every other year.
A 5 years old TV = 2$
A decent meal for 4 = at least 10$
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