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Post by discoberry on Aug 19, 2011 16:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 19, 2011 18:02:13 GMT -5
Well, if there was little physical evidence linking them to it, and it's possible that they didn't do it, then perhaps I should judge them as innocent.
That being said, regardless of whether or not they did or didn't do it, they will live with that stigma for the rest of their lives, due to how society works.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Aug 19, 2011 20:01:35 GMT -5
Well, if there was little physical evidence linking them to it, and it's possible that they didn't do it, then perhaps I should judge them as innocent. That being said, regardless of whether or not they did or didn't do it, they will live with that stigma for the rest of their lives, due to how society works. They will also live with the guilty pleas for the rest of their lives. Imagine how hard it'll be to get a job or to live a normal life when your criminal record states you plead guilty to a heinous crime. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 19, 2011 20:06:53 GMT -5
Well, if there was little physical evidence linking them to it, and it's possible that they didn't do it, then perhaps I should judge them as innocent. That being said, regardless of whether or not they did or didn't do it, they will live with that stigma for the rest of their lives, due to how society works. They will also live with the guilty pleas for the rest of their lives. Imagine how hard it'll be to get a job or to live a normal life when your criminal record states you plead guilty to a heinous crime. That is also true. |
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Post by discoberry on Aug 19, 2011 20:14:44 GMT -5
I think that a lot of people in that area know that they are just victims of the greatest Satan scare hoax of all time
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Post by brandonl337 on Aug 20, 2011 13:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by Shane for Wax on Aug 20, 2011 13:42:43 GMT -5
I think that a lot of people in that area know that they are just victims of the greatest Satan scare hoax of all time What if they might want to move away? |
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Post by discoberry on Aug 20, 2011 17:36:19 GMT -5
I think that a lot of people in that area know that they are just victims of the greatest Satan scare hoax of all time What if they might want to move away? I am guessing that the settlement and/or law suit proceeds might last them a lifetime...jurys aint sympathetic to DAs that wrongfully imprison. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Aug 20, 2011 17:37:14 GMT -5
What if they might want to move away? I am guessing that the settlement and/or law suit proceeds might last them a lifetime...jurys aint sympathetic to DAs that wrongfully imprison. I meant what if they want to move away and get a job and stuff like that where people don't know they were wrongly convicted? |
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Post by brandonl337 on Aug 20, 2011 22:41:34 GMT -5
Well, hopfully, with two more paradise lost movies planned, the story will get wider public knowledge.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 21, 2011 1:01:47 GMT -5
I just heard about them last night from that 50 Greatest Documentaries show on Current. I got excited, but I have to say, it's bittersweet to know they got out because they agreed to plea that's a guilty plea in all but name.
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Post by syaoranvee on Aug 21, 2011 15:49:28 GMT -5
Oh look, they took the easy way out and wasted the efforts of years of work of people trying to see them fully acquitted. People will forever have the belief that they likely did it because they didn't go the full yard even though it was likely they would be fully acquitted, I mean, fuck, even the Prosecutor against them said they would likely be acquitted based on the new evidence.
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Post by brandonl337 on Aug 21, 2011 16:42:07 GMT -5
That's a little harsh, Echols was and is in seriously bad health, to the point of it being possible that he wouldn't survive another 2 or so years for the retrial.
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Post by Kit Walker on Aug 22, 2011 10:36:48 GMT -5
Oh look, they took the easy way out and wasted the efforts of years of work of people trying to see them fully acquitted. People will forever have the belief that they likely did it because they didn't go the full yard even though it was likely they would be fully acquitted, I mean, fuck, even the Prosecutor against them said they would likely be acquitted based on the new evidence. When you've spent 18 years in prison and are offered a chance to leave right now or stay for a while and go through a new trial (the outcome of which is not predetermined), I think your stop giving a flying fuck about what people will think. |
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Post by the sandman on Aug 22, 2011 11:59:25 GMT -5
Oh look, they took the easy way out and wasted the efforts of years of work of people trying to see them fully acquitted. People will forever have the belief that they likely did it because they didn't go the full yard even though it was likely they would be fully acquitted, I mean, fuck, even the Prosecutor against them said they would likely be acquitted based on the new evidence. That's very judgmental of you. They did what they did because Echols was on death row. In Arkansas that means you get poor nutrition, almost no medical care (for example, the only dental care provided is tooth extraction with no follow up or reconstruction), and only basic necessities of life. Echols was in very poor health, still is, and likely will be for life now. The plea they entered was only done once the other two men were made aware of Echol's situation. Under this plea, while they legally plead guilty, they are permitted to maintain their innocence and pursue remuneration. Of course, the state now considers the case closed and will expend no effort at all in investigating the case; it will all be at the expense of the men themselves and their families. The state offered the plea because they just want the whole thing to go away, and under this plea, they can claim victory and wash their hands of it. They don't want a new trial because of the significant risk they will lose, and then have to go through the process of being sued for wrongful imprisonment. Basically this deal boils down to: "Yeah, we know we can't convict you a second time, but we'll let you out right now if you agree not to sue us for locking you up in the first place." The state wants this thing to just vanish before the elections. Hopefully people won't let them make it disappear. |
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