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Post by Amaranth on Sept 10, 2011 7:49:16 GMT -5
Amaranth: Haven't heard any of their stuff. Then why put them down?  ? Music bigot! I doubt Truthers and Birthers are ever really going to disappear, considering the fact that there are still people promoting conspiracy theories about the Kennedy assassination, or claiming that the government knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked and let it happen to give the U.S. an excuse to enter World War II. And the moon landing was faked. And the earth is flat. But at least these CTs have been relegated to obscurity and ridicule. |
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 10, 2011 7:55:17 GMT -5
This. The idea that the government is anywhere near that efficient is downright hilarious. They can barely handle passing a budget. And even then, it's bloated and leaky. But somehow, they can plan to murder thousands of people on their own soil, their own people no less; keep quiet EVERYONE who would have to be involved; spend weeks setting up the demolition with no witnesses; keep any information silent and so on. But they can't shut the Joneses up? |
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Post by scotsgit on Sept 10, 2011 8:49:23 GMT -5
What I always find truly amazing about the conspiracy theorist crowd is that they will absolutely refuse to listen to anything that contradicts their point of view, yet will go along with anything that's said in favour of their view even if it has the dodgiest of sources - which is usually "some bloke down the pub says he was a CIA assassin" type of conversation.
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Post by Jodie on Sept 10, 2011 9:05:51 GMT -5
Wasn't Jesse Ventura a wrestler? Maybe all those punches to the head screwed up his circuitry. Then again, wresting is fake fighting, so maybe he's always been crazy.
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 10, 2011 10:52:26 GMT -5
Wasn't Jesse Ventura a wrestler? Maybe all those punches to the head screwed up his circuitry. Then again, wresting is fake fighting, so maybe he's always been crazy. Wrestlers DO tend to get a lot of concussions, even though the action itself is fake. Plus, steroids seem to lead to crazy. On the other hand, pro wrestling attracts a lot of people who have substance issues, a lot of jerks and attention whores, and a lot of sociopaths. So yeah, could be he had issues going in. Or a few blows to the head. |
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Post by discoberry on Sept 10, 2011 12:58:08 GMT -5
What I always find truly amazing about the conspiracy theorist crowd is that they will absolutely refuse to listen to anything that contradicts their point of view, yet will go along with anything that's said in favour of their view even if it has the dodgiest of sources... Those aren't conspiracy theorist my Scottish friend, those are Americans. My country,' tis of thee, sweet land of conspiracies, of thee I sing. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Sept 10, 2011 14:35:59 GMT -5
Wasn't Jesse Ventura a wrestler? Maybe all those punches to the head screwed up his circuitry. Then again, wresting is fake fighting, so maybe he's always been crazy. They fake the outcome of the fights, not getting hit in the face with a chair. They're kind of like stuntmen, but with a lot less safety equipment. Also, the drug abuse thing is a chicken an egg kind of thing - does pro-wrestling attract drug abusers or does the unforgiving touring schedule and frequency of injury encourage drug abuse? Or both? I don't even watch wrestling, but I do respect the hell out of the skill that it requires. That said, Jesse Ventura (and Charlie Sheen, and Rosie "Fire Can't Melt Steel" O'Donnell, Marion Cotillard, and Mos Def, and Willie Nelson, etc.) are at best ignorant and at worst batshit crazy about 9/11. |
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Post by scotsgit on Sept 10, 2011 14:42:46 GMT -5
What I always find truly amazing about the conspiracy theorist crowd is that they will absolutely refuse to listen to anything that contradicts their point of view, yet will go along with anything that's said in favour of their view even if it has the dodgiest of sources... Those aren't conspiracy theorist my Scottish friend, those are Americans. My country,' tis of thee, sweet land of conspiracies, of thee I sing. If Bachman wins, it's going to get worse, isn't it? |
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Post by discoberry on Sept 10, 2011 15:07:59 GMT -5
Those aren't conspiracy theorist my Scottish friend, those are Americans. My country,' tis of thee, sweet land of conspiracies, of thee I sing. If Bachman wins, it's going to get worse, isn't it? I think what you're asking implies that crazy is in the closet to begin with here. Take this as an example, before the internet was in most homes barely anyone believed that Pearl Harbor was an inside job. Now... they're people asking tough questions. And when people like Alex Jones were on Cable public access at 3:30 AM on a Saturday, they were considered loons. Now...they're patriots |
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 10, 2011 15:16:47 GMT -5
They fake the outcome of the fights, not getting hit in the face with a chair. They're kind of like stuntmen, but with a lot less safety equipment. Also, the drug abuse thing is a chicken an egg kind of thing - does pro-wrestling attract drug abusers or does the unforgiving touring schedule and frequency of injury encourage drug abuse? Or both? I DO watch wrestling, and a lot of these motherfuckers were on drugs before they entered pro wrestling. In some cases, it may be the chicken and the egg, but in others, it's nowhere near that at all. Pro wrestling does attract addictive personalities. Junkies for Fame, Junkies for adrenaline, and yes, junkies for drugs. For the record, getting hit in the face with a chair generally involves throwing your hands up to take the blow. About the only instance it was actually taken to the head are the overhead shots where the chair is dented, and those aren't wrestling mainstays and never were. Well, outside garbage wrestling, but Jesse Ventura doesn't strike me as the CZW type. And make no mistake, wrestling IS fake. You usually only go up in the air if you're assisting the guy throwing you. A lot of moves don't connect, and rely on the person using them to slap a bodypart. They use a lot of martial arts which are slowed down and soft enough that there is never any real danger. The outcomes are not all that's staged. Those guys may get hurt sometimes, but it's not exactly because the fighting is real. It's because physics is a hard taskmaster. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Sept 10, 2011 20:41:49 GMT -5
So Mick Foley's litany of injuries are fake then? Hell In The Cell all nice and faked up?
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Post by ironbite on Sept 10, 2011 20:56:51 GMT -5
Wow...are you guys trying to get me and Amaranth into a fight?
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 10, 2011 22:03:53 GMT -5
So Mick Foley's litany of injuries are fake then? Hell In The Cell all nice and faked up? So you're illiterate then? You'd also note a good chunk of Foley's injuries were done in the exact circumstances I alluded to prior. The first HIAC where Mankind went through the top was actually unplanned, and the injuries sustained fall under the "physics is a bitch" deal. Later versions were actually done, you know, safer. And yes, the fighting still wasn't real. But then again, I never said you couldn't get injured at all, because I'm not a moron. But then, I doubt you'd put the same standard to movies. Just because you can get hurt on set doesn't mean what's going on is real combat. *whispers* Aliens is not a documentary. It's okay. |
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Post by scotsgit on Sept 10, 2011 23:51:40 GMT -5
If Bachman wins, it's going to get worse, isn't it? I think what you're asking implies that crazy is in the closet to begin with here. Take this as an example, before the internet was in most homes barely anyone believed that Pearl Harbor was an inside job. Now... they're people asking tough questions. And when people like Alex Jones were on Cable public access at 3:30 AM on a Saturday, they were considered loons. Now...they're patriots In this country it's worse: The media only think you should be listened to if you've appeared on The X Factor. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Sept 11, 2011 10:04:26 GMT -5
You'd also note a good chunk of Foley's injuries were done in the exact circumstances I alluded to prior. The first HIAC where Mankind went through the top was actually unplanned, and the injuries sustained fall under the "physics is a bitch" deal. Later versions were actually done, you know, safer. But still with nowhere near the level of safety equipment and preparation as Hollywood stuntmen doing equivalent stunts on a movie set. Going through a table in nothing but a speedo is going to fucking hurt even if it was pre-cut, y'know what I'm saying? Getting hit with a chair is going to hurt even if your hands take the brunt of it, thumbtacks in your arm really pierce your skin, etc. And when a stunt goes wrong in Hollywood, the injured stuntman doesn't typically jump back up and keep the shoot going, so far as I know. No, but movies have the benefit of multiple takes and camera angles, in addition to all kinds of safety padding equipment and padding. I think our disagreement is coming over the word "fake". You, being a smark (if TV tropes teaches me the term correctly), recognize that wrestlers actually have to work their asses off to "fake" a match correctly. Most people I've met who use the term "fake" to apply to wrestling seem to think that it means any idiot could jump in the ring and put on a good show. Being someone who respects the level of skill that does go into good wrestling (even if I don't find the matches themselves that fun to watch), I really dislike people who imply such things. Oh go fuck yourself, you condescending douchebag. |
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