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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 11, 2011 17:23:50 GMT -5
This emphasizes the reasons why Occupy should regroup. An organizer from UCLA and I were discussing how Occupy Denver have failed to address the marginalization and endangered of women and other minorities within their movements. Right now, they are losing support of those who would otherwise be with them. Occupy needs to get its privilege problems in check. It's something special when you claim to be representing the 99% but you snub those who can't physically be there thanks to the things you're fighting against. See earlier comments about how parasitic hanger on movements with private agendas can only, in the long run, hurt OWS.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 11, 2011 17:49:19 GMT -5
It's something special when you claim to be representing the 99% but you snub those who can't physically be there thanks to the things you're fighting against. See earlier comments about how parasitic hanger on movements with private agendas can only, in the long run, hurt OWS. Except that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
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Post by Vene on Dec 11, 2011 18:57:18 GMT -5
It's something special when you claim to be representing the 99% but you snub those who can't physically be there thanks to the things you're fighting against. See earlier comments about how parasitic hanger on movements with private agendas can only, in the long run, hurt OWS. I know, right. Only the able bodied should be able to protest with OWS and they totally shouldn't welcome those with disabilities.
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Post by ironbite on Dec 11, 2011 19:33:06 GMT -5
I don't know if this has already been covered, but there was an Occupy Seattle here. It was a big deal for a while. The protestors went to the park, which is public property, and camped there for nonviolent protests. The Seattle police (who have a history of being dickheads by the way) show up and tell them to GTFO or else they'll be arrested. Almost everyone GTFOs, except for six people who are arrested. Then there was a march and one woman apparently swung a stick too close to a police officer. In response, they pepper spray the entire crowd, hurting an 84-year-old woman, a priest, and a pregnant teen. Been covered and the kid lost her kid leading to some people screaming about how she shouldn't have been protesting in the first place or some shit like that. Ironbite-think it was LHM pre-stroke.
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 11, 2011 20:20:21 GMT -5
See earlier comments about how parasitic hanger on movements with private agendas can only, in the long run, hurt OWS. I know, right. Only the able bodied should be able to protest with OWS and they totally shouldn't welcome those with disabilities. That's not what I said. Special interest groups have every right to have their own demonstrations to support their own agendas. But by tacking on to OWS, a movement supposed to be about financial equality, groups with a non-financial agenda only serve to dilute the OWS message. You've already got people happy to write the thing off as a bunch of long haired, hippy, drugged out, gay, eco-freaks, I see no benefit to anyone by making the neo-con strawman version of OWS a reality. That's not to say OWS shouldn't vwelcome all supporters, they should, even long haired, hippy, drugged out, gay, eco-freaks, so long as they don't try to make it ABOUT long haired, hippy, drugged out, gay, eco-freakishness.
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 11, 2011 20:21:00 GMT -5
I don't know if this has already been covered, but there was an Occupy Seattle here. It was a big deal for a while. The protestors went to the park, which is public property, and camped there for nonviolent protests. The Seattle police (who have a history of being dickheads by the way) show up and tell them to GTFO or else they'll be arrested. Almost everyone GTFOs, except for six people who are arrested. Then there was a march and one woman apparently swung a stick too close to a police officer. In response, they pepper spray the entire crowd, hurting an 84-year-old woman, a priest, and a pregnant teen. Been covered and the kid lost her kid leading to some people screaming about how she shouldn't have been protesting in the first place or some shit like that. Ironbite-think it was LHM pre-stroke. Not me.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 11, 2011 20:22:01 GMT -5
I don't know if this has already been covered, but there was an Occupy Seattle here. It was a big deal for a while. The protestors went to the park, which is public property, and camped there for nonviolent protests. The Seattle police (who have a history of being dickheads by the way) show up and tell them to GTFO or else they'll be arrested. Almost everyone GTFOs, except for six people who are arrested. Then there was a march and one woman apparently swung a stick too close to a police officer. In response, they pepper spray the entire crowd, hurting an 84-year-old woman, a priest, and a pregnant teen. Been covered and the kid lost her kid leading to some people screaming about how she shouldn't have been protesting in the first place or some shit like that. Ironbite-think it was LHM pre-stroke. I heard that everyone is now calling the teen who supposedly lost her baby a liar.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 11, 2011 21:48:18 GMT -5
I know, right. Only the able bodied should be able to protest with OWS and they totally shouldn't welcome those with disabilities. That's not what I said. Special interest groups have every right to have their own demonstrations to support their own agendas. But by tacking on to OWS, a movement supposed to be about financial equality, groups with a non-financial agenda only serve to dilute the OWS message. You've already got people happy to write the thing off as a bunch of long haired, hippy, drugged out, gay, eco-freaks, I see no benefit to anyone by making the neo-con strawman version of OWS a reality. That's not to say OWS shouldn't vwelcome all supporters, they should, even long haired, hippy, drugged out, gay, eco-freaks, so long as they don't try to make it ABOUT long haired, hippy, drugged out, gay, eco-freakishness. You're still operating under the assumption that people with disabilities is a totally different agenda. People with disabilities probably have more problems with financial equality than two able-bodied people do. I'm not saying to turn OWS into equal rights for disabled people, I'm saying let them participate under the financial equal rights flag. Be all-encompassing. Just because someone with back problems can't sit in a tent for days or weeks or months on end doesn't mean you should just toss them to the side. They can help in other ways to achieve the main OWS goal. Understand, now?
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 11, 2011 23:56:14 GMT -5
Like I said, everyone should be able to participate, just so long as they keep their pet causes at home.
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Post by RavynousHunter on Dec 12, 2011 0:51:44 GMT -5
-props his feet up on the table- Aah, mind if I just sit back and watch?
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 12, 2011 1:49:59 GMT -5
I hope there is nothing TOO watch.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Dec 12, 2011 2:29:04 GMT -5
LHM, nobody ever brought up pet-causes until you did. It didn't even enter the equation. Don't bring something up and then complain when people call you on it.
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Post by Whore of Spamylon on Dec 12, 2011 22:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by Her3tiK on Dec 13, 2011 1:49:27 GMT -5
To my understanding, the idea seems to be that disrupting port activities will cost Wall St. tons of money. Goldman Sachs supposedly holds a major share in one of the larger port companies, and thus would be affected the most. I don't have any idea how this is supposed to be effective, but there it is.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Dec 13, 2011 6:42:45 GMT -5
To my understanding, the idea seems to be that disrupting port activities will cost Wall St. tons of money. Goldman Sachs supposedly holds a major share in one of the larger port companies, and thus would be affected the most. I don't have any idea how this is supposed to be effective, but there it is. It's really all the can do, seeing as there's nothing physical to disrupt directly when it comes to finance. The only thing that can be done is to go after whatever they've invested in.
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