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Post by Distind on Oct 14, 2011 5:10:43 GMT -5
Man, those cops are wonderful people, aren't they? Yeah, makes me wonder where they got all of this to plant.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 14, 2011 5:52:39 GMT -5
Also blaming the wrong people. Any situation where you have a quota, you're going to be under pressure to fill it, by any means necessary. The cops who don't pull this shit will just end up being relieved of duty. You're basically fucked either way. While I agree that quotas are ultimately the root of the problem, I fail to see how this relieves the guilty officers of all blame. Wanting to keep your job does not justify destroying someone's life by fabricating charges.
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 14, 2011 6:45:42 GMT -5
Man, those cops are wonderful people, aren't they? Yeah, makes me wonder where they got all of this to plant. False dichotomy. No one is suggesting there are no legitimate drug busts. Legitimate drug busts, however, do not make falsified ones any less reprehensible. That's before we even get into a discussion on how drugs should be legalised anyway.
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Post by Yla on Oct 14, 2011 6:47:24 GMT -5
Wow. OH NO! AN ISOLATED INCIDENT IN A SINGLE PLACE IS A TREND GLOBALLY! WE SHOULD NEVER TRUST THE POLICE AGAIN! Ironbite-that's what you sound like LHM. And immediately everyone is piling on him. I know there's a history, but, guys, save your outrage for actually outrageous statements. Because that's not what LHM sounded like here. on topic: These guys need to be (1)fired and (2)tried for ... whatever it's called.
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 14, 2011 6:51:54 GMT -5
Wow. OH NO! AN ISOLATED INCIDENT IN A SINGLE PLACE IS A TREND GLOBALLY! WE SHOULD NEVER TRUST THE POLICE AGAIN! Ironbite-that's what you sound like LHM. And immediately everyone is piling on him. I know there's a history, but, guys, save your outrage for actually outrageous statements. Because that's not what LHM sounded like here. Thank you. Second.
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 14, 2011 7:13:10 GMT -5
Also blaming the wrong people. Any situation where you have a quota, you're going to be under pressure to fill it, by any means necessary. The cops who don't pull this shit will just end up being relieved of duty. You're basically fucked either way. While I agree that quotas are ultimately the root of the problem, I fail to see how this relieves the guilty officers of all blame. Wanting to keep your job does not justify destroying someone's life by fabricating charges. Always easy to point out where others do wrong with that. I doubt that it's so easy when it's you in the same situation.
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 14, 2011 7:17:44 GMT -5
I don't hate the police. I just don't believe in letting the corrupt police escape scrutiny and comment for fear of offending the non-corrupt ones. Higher standard and all that. No one else does either. But while everyone else tends to continue along that way, you always go to "Man, fuck all the cops, fuck the government, fuck authority" and we all watch the thread swirl around the drain while you go on your anti-authority kick without listening to or paying attention to the clue x 4's beating you to a pulp
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 14, 2011 7:20:32 GMT -5
Always easy to point out where others do wrong with that. I doubt that it's so easy when it's you in the same situation. I recognize that, but the circumstances -- mitigating as they might be -- do not shift all guilt away from the individual officers.
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 14, 2011 7:20:55 GMT -5
I don't hate the police. I just don't believe in letting the corrupt police escape scrutiny and comment for fear of offending the non-corrupt ones. Higher standard and all that. No one else does either. But while everyone else tends to continue along that way, you always go to "Man, fuck all the cops, fuck the government, fuck authority" and we all watch the thread swirl around the drain while you go on your anti-authority kick without listening to or paying attention to the clue x 4's beating you to a pulp I think you're thinking of someone else. I'm totally fine with cops, government and authority, just so long as its non-corrupt. I don't see why people have such a problem with examples of corruption being pointed out. You don't think these things should be exposed and discussed? Direct question.
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Post by ltfred on Oct 14, 2011 7:28:46 GMT -5
While I agree that quotas are ultimately the root of the problem, I fail to see how this relieves the guilty officers of all blame. Wanting to keep your job does not justify destroying someone's life by fabricating charges. Always easy to point out where others do wrong with that. I doubt that it's so easy when it's you in the same situation. Yeah it's easy to point out when people do things wrong- like break the law in order to fako charge some innocent person a wreck their life. Boo hoo. Policing is hard. Life's hard! You have to do it WITHOUT breaking the law, though.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 14, 2011 7:36:37 GMT -5
^^ Particularly when there are a lot of good cops out there who manage to handle quotas without fabricating charges.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Oct 14, 2011 10:40:39 GMT -5
And... I am unsurprised it's the NYPD doing this. I know there are some good NYPD cops but the majority of them are of the character that people hate in a police officer.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Oct 14, 2011 11:25:42 GMT -5
Wow. OH NO! AN ISOLATED INCIDENT IN A SINGLE PLACE IS A TREND GLOBALLY! WE SHOULD NEVER TRUST THE POLICE AGAIN! Ironbite-that's what you sound like LHM. And immediately everyone is piling on him. I know there's a history, but, guys, save your outrage for actually outrageous statements. Because that's not what LHM sounded like here. on topic: These guys need to be (1)fired and (2)tried for ... whatever it's called. And this is where I have to actually agree that LHM isn't acting the way he does in some other threads. He's actually acting reasonable, for one ;D
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Post by catanon on Oct 14, 2011 14:46:58 GMT -5
This thread is half the reason I enjoy anonymous forums for discussion. Nobody knows who you are and it's difficult to attribute any one post to an anonymous debater. As such, it's unlikley that things such as poster histories even come into the argument, let alone become one of the major discussion in a thread about corruption.
When I enter a thread, I usually expect discussion of the topic, not discussion about a certain poster (one who was making only reasonable statements in the thread, by the way). Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to 4chan to fap to ponies.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Oct 14, 2011 16:10:16 GMT -5
Also blaming the wrong people. Any situation where you have a quota, you're going to be under pressure to fill it, by any means necessary. The cops who don't pull this shit will just end up being relieved of duty. You're basically fucked either way. While I agree that quotas are ultimately the root of the problem, I fail to see how this relieves the guilty officers of all blame. Wanting to keep your job does not justify destroying someone's life by fabricating charges. Because being responsible when the system you're in is not is mostly an idealistic thing. In practical, real world terms, you just get fired & then can't be a good cop anyway.
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