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Post by Haseen on Oct 15, 2011 4:42:31 GMT -5
First of all, I'd love to see how you could prove they wouldn't reoffend. Time travel? Or are you just going to take their word for it? (knowing exactly what their word is worth)
Second, police should be held to a higher standard because they're entrusted with powers most people don't have over other individuals. A cop framing an innocent person is about as sleazy as they come, and should have no place in the police force. There are plenty of other jobs (well, maybe not NOW) that don't involve ruining the lives of others when they cheat to make quotas.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Oct 15, 2011 5:00:45 GMT -5
I don't know what police do when investigating corruption cases, but I'm sure they have their methods of finding truth, motives, etc.
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 15, 2011 5:12:16 GMT -5
While rehabilitation is a noble aim in any justice system, deterent is pretty important.
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Post by murdin on Oct 15, 2011 5:16:25 GMT -5
Honestly Admiral Lithp, I don't see how your entire position for the last page is in any way relevant to the discussion. Police quotas are not going anywhere in the foreseeable future. I'm sure most people in this thread would prefer to debate about the real world, rather than a highly hypothetical situation that suits your opinion better. All you actually said about the reality of this case is a weak, unconvincing concession that the policemen should be prosecuted. Also, I don't think you are realising the gravity of their acts. Those cops aren't just handing undue fines to avoid being fired. They are sending innocent people into jail. They are ruining lives for their own convenience, and by their own choice. But what actually irks me in your entire attitude is that I highly doubt you would extend this incredible amount of consideration to less reputable groups. Sure, "society is to blame" for this kind of police abuse, but isn't society to blame for most forms of criminality, anyway? Are you so vehement in preaching forgiveness for the crimes of gangsters? Or do you consider prison to be a fitting punishment for them - despite the fact that unlike cops, gangsters are actually trapped into a life of crime? And what about the fact those very cops were not only wilfully taking part in the very kind of punishment-based justice that you condemn, but also managed to go beyond the cruelty of said system by sending innocent people into "Dante's Inferno"? If anything, locking those cops behind bars has the dubious merit of being very appropriate. Let them experience the fate that they so flippantly and so remorselessly condemned the guilty and the innocent to. Besides, you called Mlle Antichrist an idealist, which is the pot finding a mote in the kettle's eye and calling it an hypocrite. Justice, like war, is not and will never be a pretty thing.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Oct 15, 2011 5:46:30 GMT -5
Enough. I was asked to elaborate on a point, & so I did. Plus, this is apparently offending Murdin. And we wouldn't want that, now would we?
Point is, this sub-topic has ran its course & then some. If anyone has anything else to say about it, they know where to find me.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Oct 15, 2011 11:30:18 GMT -5
While rehabilitation is a noble aim in any justice system, deterent is pretty important. If deterrant can be proven to work, which it hasn't, really.
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Post by ltfred on Oct 15, 2011 21:15:29 GMT -5
While rehabilitation is a noble aim in any justice system, deterent is pretty important. If deterrant can be proven to work, which it hasn't, really. Completely wrong. Compare a society with deterrence to one that doesn't have deterrence (say, Thailand, or Somalia). Even taking into account poverty-induced crime, lots of people would commit crimes if they could get away with it. Many people would make the rational decision to make money as a bankrobber instead of an accountant, if there was no chance (or a slim chance) of jail. In countries with a criminal justice system, those people do not commit crimes. People only irrationally commit crimes in (say) America or Australia. So the crime rate is much lower- I'd estimate ten times.
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Post by aboveathletics on Oct 18, 2011 0:07:37 GMT -5
While I agree that quotas are ultimately the root of the problem, I fail to see how this relieves the guilty officers of all blame. Wanting to keep your job does not justify destroying someone's life by fabricating charges. Always easy to point out where others do wrong with that. I doubt that it's so easy when it's you in the same situation. Most Crips, Bloods etc. who rob and deal drugs do what they do because they were backed into a corner by poverty, racism etc. Should we give them a free pass too? Direct question. EDIT: Yeah I'm back again.
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Post by priestling on Oct 18, 2011 0:09:51 GMT -5
Gentlemen, start your clocks again. This ought to be good.
Bar's still open. I restocked, too. Pony drinks, anyone? I know a few that'll really knock you flat and make you not care!
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Post by ltfred on Oct 18, 2011 0:15:58 GMT -5
Always easy to point out where others do wrong with that. I doubt that it's so easy when it's you in the same situation. Most Crips, Bloods etc. who rob and deal drugs do what they do because they were backed into a corner by poverty, racism etc. Should we give them a free pass too? Direct question. There's also the idea of increasing respect for the law by ensuring that everyone is subject to it, regardless of how powerful they are. Plus, you know, powerful people should not get it better legally than powerless people.
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Post by murdin on Oct 18, 2011 0:36:31 GMT -5
Enough. I was asked to elaborate on a point, & so I did. Plus, this is apparently offending Murdin. And we wouldn't want that, now would we? Oh, come on. Even I do not take my own seething RAGE that seriously. ;D Nowadays it seems like anger and embarrassment are the only two emotions that can motivate me to post anything on a forum. Any forum. Even though it doesn't extend to real life, that's pretty sad.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Oct 18, 2011 0:41:16 GMT -5
Is AA like Beetlejuice, Bloody Mary, or Biggie Smalls? It seems like everytime his name is mentioned he pops up randomly.
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Post by priestling on Oct 18, 2011 0:45:27 GMT -5
More like an annoying case of head lice courtesy of That One Guy in the grade school locker room.
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Post by ironbite on Oct 18, 2011 3:00:10 GMT -5
Always easy to point out where others do wrong with that. I doubt that it's so easy when it's you in the same situation. Most Crips, Bloods etc. who rob and deal drugs do what they do because they were backed into a corner by poverty, racism etc. Should we give them a free pass too? Direct question. EDIT: Yeah I'm back again. Yeah I'll bite. Simple and complicated answer is...no. You break the law, you don't get a pass. You choose to break the law. Now your mindset and circumstances at the time can do something about your sentence but by and large, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Ironbite-and I'll take a double of my usual
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Post by Shane for Wax on Oct 18, 2011 3:03:48 GMT -5
Who the hell summoned AA?
As to an earlier question by Lithp (well not really a question) but there are internal and external investigation departments into such things.
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