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Post by Tiger on Sept 17, 2009 11:20:51 GMT -5
He would be, but for his run ins with Etrigan and the like. Hard to be an atheist when you've tangled with the supernatural so directly. The existence of the supernatural (a category which includes everything from fairies to ghosts) does not in any way validate the existence of a god, Christian or otherwise.
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Post by skyfire on Sept 17, 2009 11:58:21 GMT -5
He would be, but for his run ins with Etrigan and the like. Hard to be an atheist when you've tangled with the supernatural so directly. The existence of the supernatural (a category which includes everything from fairies to ghosts) does not in any way validate the existence of a god, Christian or otherwise. Nor does it invalidate the existence of one, either. As for Superman, it could be that he himself is simply agnostic but is paying lip service to his foster parents' religious beliefs.
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 17, 2009 12:01:50 GMT -5
\Nor does it invalidate the existence of one, either. Which misses the point entirely.
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Post by maanantai on Sept 17, 2009 12:17:52 GMT -5
Wow, some people really do have too much time in their hands, me being one of them since I actually went thoigh the whole list *ashamed*
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 17, 2009 12:20:22 GMT -5
Fishnet Angel is interesting, good find. Boy with that be fucked up. All that work to save your family to have them leave you because of what you've become. You think any of his friends hit on him now?
Wolverine's religious life is all fucked up. And the Punisher's is too.
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Post by Tiger on Sept 17, 2009 15:53:18 GMT -5
The existence of the supernatural (a category which includes everything from fairies to ghosts) does not in any way validate the existence of a god, Christian or otherwise. Nor does it invalidate the existence of one, either. What's your point? I don't think anyone's stupid enough to claim that because fairies exist, there must not be a god.
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Post by Jedi Knight on Sept 17, 2009 16:59:15 GMT -5
Wolverine's religious life is all fucked up. And the Punisher's is too. I'd say Wolverine and the Punisher's lives are all fucked up. Castle is hardly sane, anyway, and Wolverine wouldn't be sane if he didn't have his healing factor.
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Post by A. Sapien on Sept 17, 2009 17:13:26 GMT -5
The existence of the supernatural (a category which includes everything from fairies to ghosts) does not in any way validate the existence of a god, Christian or otherwise. As for Superman, it could be that he himself is simply agnostic but is paying lip service to his foster parents' religious beliefs. He's a Raoist.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Sept 17, 2009 21:53:28 GMT -5
Before taking any sort of issue with a character that's played around with "gods" before, can we get a working definition of what a god even is? As an example, the Marvel Universe has the Power Cosmic. Which can be given to just about anyone. Or the Phoenix Force. Neither causes someone to be called "God" or any variation. Superman's powers, at his peak, were certainly god-like to most heroes. The Hulk, at one point, managed to pick up Mjolnir, despite the fact that Thor's hammer will not let anyone pick it up unless they are deemed worthy. Big ball'o'rage isn't enough to qualify, either. That's certainly god-like strength.
When it comes to "Is there a being out there worthy of the praise and worship normally afforded to those beings their worshipers refer to as a god?"
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Post by dasfuchs on Sept 17, 2009 22:29:51 GMT -5
Well, one thing's for certain, Superman could never be the christian god as he has a few weaknesses, kryptonite and a set of tits
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Sept 17, 2009 22:46:15 GMT -5
Yeah. Iron chariots present no threat.
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 18, 2009 0:24:57 GMT -5
Before taking any sort of issue with a character that's played around with "gods" before, can we get a working definition of what a god even is? As an example, the Marvel Universe has the Power Cosmic. Which can be given to just about anyone. Or the Phoenix Force. Neither causes someone to be called "God" or any variation. Superman's powers, at his peak, were certainly god-like to most heroes. The Hulk, at one point, managed to pick up Mjolnir, despite the fact that Thor's hammer will not let anyone pick it up unless they are deemed worthy. Big ball'o'rage isn't enough to qualify, either. That's certainly god-like strength. When it comes to "Is there a being out there worthy of the praise and worship normally afforded to those beings their worshipers refer to as a god?" Galactus, who can dole out the Power Cosmic, eats worlds and even has heralds of the impending end. I know he's not a God, but he's a "Cosmic Being" whose abilities seem to dwarf many of the Gods in Marvel comics. Silver Surfer can bitchslap a lot of things in Marvel's Asgard, and he's just a Herald. The Captain Universe power, which created "Cosmic Spider-Man," which seems to be limited only by the imagination of the wielder. Many of Doctor Strange's nemeses, though since they're usually "mystical," I'm sure people are more prone to put then in the normal deific orders. Apocalypse, to some extent. The Celestials, where apparently Apocalypse gts a lot of his powers. The Beyonder, though he got eaten by Doom. The Watchers. Though at least they don't interfere. Lots of things that are certainly Godlike, if not Gods, and some more powerful than the Gods. Or, the TL;DR version: Good point.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Sept 18, 2009 0:35:59 GMT -5
Doctor Strange is a very entertaining figure. Marvel has basically admitted outright that he's a walking Dues Ex Machina and reset button. When questioned on his power level, he's stated to be "As powerful as the god he's channeling."
Amaranth, that's my exact point. You've got mortals that can bitchslap so-called "Gods". Sufficiently pissed-off Hulk (See: Green Scar) can hand the best of Earth's heroes their asses. With relative ease. To the point of there being comments made that the only one that would be able to stop Hulk would be Ghost Rider, except he only protects those who don't deserve to get the shit beat out of them. (World War Hulk Trivia: They deserved it)
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Post by dasfuchs on Sept 18, 2009 5:58:07 GMT -5
Yeah. Iron chariots present no threat. Two things. One, excuse me for being out of the loop, i've heard that used before, but what's the reasoning behind iron chariots? And two, but the christian god is supposed to be all powerfull and omnipotent. Somewhere here there's a confliction
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Post by Sigmaleph on Sept 18, 2009 7:26:44 GMT -5
Judges 1:19 "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."
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