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Post by dasfuchs on Sept 18, 2009 9:37:38 GMT -5
ah, so it's not a direct failure of god, just man. Because all god's failures are just man's failure
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 18, 2009 11:31:43 GMT -5
ah, so it's not a direct failure of god, just man. Because all god's failures are just man's failure Not to mention, all of God's other rules are arbitrary (errr...To us! DSon't kick me out of the Jebus Club!!!!), so "If their chariots are made of iron, I will not aid you" doesn't seem that odd. I mean, you got a guy who has some people eating and drinking his son, others sacrificing animals, and still others who pray five times a day. Some groups are circumcised, others can eat pork....
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 18, 2009 13:30:36 GMT -5
Wolverine's religious life is all fucked up. And the Punisher's is too. I'd say Wolverine and the Punisher's lives are all fucked up. Castle is hardly sane, anyway, and Wolverine wouldn't be sane if he didn't have his healing factor. I wouldn't say Wolverine is sane, just stable. Castle(Whose Max incarnation made him my favorite character) is definately crazy. He went to seminary and left to be a marine before losing his family. He left the seminary because couldn't forgive bad people who did bad things and didn't see why God would allow this and not take action. He's a Catholic who hates God to the point where he's said things like "if I ever got my hands on God." so he's making up for God's inaction despite knowing this will send him to hell. And he believes since we can never hope to understand why we're here, if there's even anything to understand, the individual should choose a goal and pursue it wholeheartedly, despite the certainty of death and the meaninglessness of action. He's a man who knows he's going to die and who knows in the big picture his actions will count for nothing, but who pursues his course because this is what he has chosen to do. I love had it says Deadpool is a lasped Catholic and Deadpool at one point mentioned that he's tried to "give up on killing for Lent."
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 18, 2009 14:06:31 GMT -5
A lot of people use the phrase "Gave it up for lent" though, even if it has nothing to do with their religious beliefs.
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Post by xaria on Sept 18, 2009 15:09:05 GMT -5
lol at th only bahai ones beign a youtube one and a villain
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Post by dasfuchs on Sept 18, 2009 22:15:33 GMT -5
"I wouldn't say Wolverine is sane, just stable." By the thinnest hair ever
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Post by Paradox on Sept 19, 2009 10:17:01 GMT -5
Judges 1:19 "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." In God's defense, Iron is very strong and relatively easy to mold into a variety of useful shapes.
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Post by The_L on Sept 19, 2009 18:36:30 GMT -5
....and there's a character named "Wiccan" who is Jewish. I can't help but find that amusing.
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Post by Death on Sept 20, 2009 15:13:40 GMT -5
That site is awesome.
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Post by Maryland Bear on Sept 21, 2009 6:25:54 GMT -5
Holy FUCK look at all the Jews...... wow.... There's more Jewish characters than Catholic ones... awesome. Many of the early comics creators were Jewish (Siegel and Shuster, Lee and Kirby for instance), and it carried over their work. Now, they really didn't address religion in the early days, but many of the characters that were later identified as Jewish were "made" Jewish in tribute to their creators. The Thing in particular was declared to be Jewish because Jack Kirby said that was the character he most identified. Of course, the Fantastic Four, of which the Thing is a member, met God once... and God was Jack Kirby.
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Post by Maryland Bear on Sept 21, 2009 7:25:38 GMT -5
Be warned, I'm gonna go all comic book geek here.
Both of the "Big Two" (Marvel and DC) Universes have it that the Judeo-Christian God exists. Their approach differs, though.
The DC God is the more active version. The Spectre is God's little instrument of vengeance. In Sandman (which is technically part of the Vertigo universe, but still seems to exist in the mainstream DC Universe) angels have appeared, and are definitely representatives of Jehovah. There's a number of demons running around as villains (plus one hero). Many DC characters get their powers from various mythological gods, Wonder Woman and the Marvel family in particular. Plus, Hawkman's past is very much tied into Egyptian mythology. (Don't ask me to explain Hawkman's origin -- its one of the most f*ck*d up continuities in comics.) Also, the Spear of Destiny (the Roman spear that stabbed Christ at the Crucifixion) is a key artifact in DC history. Most notably, Hitler had obtained the Spear, and his possession of it was what kept the various WWII heroes from invading Germany -- they'd fall under his control if they entered German territory. (That was the explanation years later of why so many incredibly powerful heroes just didn't fly to Berlin and eliminate the entire Nazi hierarchy. Marvel didn't have that problem, as their WWII heroes weren't that powerful.)
At Marvel, God is more "absentee". His existence is acknowledged, but that's about it. But even the characters who are identified as "gods" (Thor, for instance) will acknowledge that there is a "God" beyond them, even if they do not personally pay homage to Him. Marvel's villain Mephisto is pretty clearly the Christian "Devil", and Ghost Rider gets his powers from a demon.
Both companies use the Olympian gods regularly, and the Norse gods are major "players" in the Marvel universe. Both also use the Egyptian gods to one degree or another.
As far as the religion of individual characters goes, you'll find that most characters who have an identified religion are Roman Catholic, Jewish, or some kind of generic mainstream Protestant. You'll occasionally see Muslims and fundamentalist Christians, but that's usually the defining trait for the character, with very little else to flesh them out. Both companies also have a few Buddhist characters, mostly those from Japan. (And Wolverine, while not a Buddhist himself, knows more than a little about Buddhist thought, having spent a lot of time in Japan, and very much liking the culture.)
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 21, 2009 8:39:39 GMT -5
Marvel's had lke 90 devil characters, though.
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 21, 2009 9:17:19 GMT -5
What I like about Marvel is all religions are true. And it leaves ambiguity because the gods are gods, but each set of gods are kind of like their own super race.
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Post by swordfish on Sept 21, 2009 22:41:25 GMT -5
Awww man. The Hulk and Daredevil are Catholic? Nightcrawler, too? Awwww maaaan... As skyfire stated earlier, Nightcrawler is, in fact, a very devout Catholic. Though in the comics he was never a monk, he did nearly become a priest. Funny, I always thought Supes was Jewish. I mean, Kal-El? As for Batman, I always assumed he was too caught up in his crusade to care about who's running the universe. I always thought Batman would be an atheist by now - he's so jaded and cynical and never seems to have faith in much of anything that he can't create himself... I think that's why they say that his religion is lapsed. ... not sure why it doesn't say that for The Punisher, though.
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 22, 2009 9:09:37 GMT -5
I always thought Batman would be an atheist by now - he's so jaded and cynical and never seems to have faith in much of anything that he can't create himself... I think that's why they say that his religion is lapsed. ... not sure why it doesn't say that for The Punisher, though. The Punisher hasn't lapsed, he still believes in God and that he is going to hell for what he's doing and that in the end there will still be evil in the world and all he's done will account for nothing. But he can't sit around with all the evil in the world and do nothing.
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