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Post by devilschaplain2 on Dec 31, 2009 2:20:11 GMT -5
"Tapes of Nixon's resignation show Stein crying, and he insists that he was asked to quit the Ford Administration after a few weeks because his loud weeping was distracting the staff." - An excerpt from a Time articleAm I a horrible person if I find that incredibly amusing? More than anything else I find it disturbing...though not as much as Ben Stein's creepy back-scratcher thing from Expelled. *Shudders* |
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Post by ltfred on Dec 31, 2009 20:49:48 GMT -5
Interesting point for the day: unlike usual claims of anti-semitism, this may actually have some merit. Ron Paul is a documented racist, opponent of the Voting Rights Act, multiculturalism, immigration and so on, along with his openly racist newsletter than he wrote and edited under his signature.
So it's entirely possible that he unreasonably hates Jews, not just Black people and the poor.
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Post by m52nickerson on Dec 31, 2009 22:00:35 GMT -5
Interesting point for the day: unlike usual claims of anti-semitism, this may actually have some merit. Ron Paul is a documented racist, opponent of the Voting Rights Act, multiculturalism, immigration and so on, along with his openly racist newsletter than he wrote and edited under his signature. So it's entirely possible that he unreasonably hates Jews, not just Black people and the poor. Unfortunately Paul came out and stated that he did not write those remarks, and there is little proof he did. |
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Post by ltfred on Dec 31, 2009 22:44:29 GMT -5
Interesting point for the day: unlike usual claims of anti-semitism, this may actually have some merit. Ron Paul is a documented racist, opponent of the Voting Rights Act, multiculturalism, immigration and so on, along with his openly racist newsletter than he wrote and edited under his signature. So it's entirely possible that he unreasonably hates Jews, not just Black people and the poor. Unfortunately Paul came out and stated that he did not write those remarks, and there is little proof he did. And, you know, the editor and publisher of a newletter spewing out the same opinions several dozen times over the course of several decades, often directly under his signature obviously holds no moral responsibility for those views. Clearly, one cannot assume that Ron Paul was competant enough to cheack what was being published in his name, month after month, and register complaint if those were not his own. Particularly when he has, in the past, defended those views. Because a congressperson and presidential candidate has no motive to lie or use code. Anyway, who am I to say that the candidate endorsed and funded by Stormfront ect is racist? |
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Post by Tiger on Dec 31, 2009 23:20:33 GMT -5
The fact that you have racist supporters does not mean that you yourself are racist.
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Post by ltfred on Jan 1, 2010 0:08:35 GMT -5
The fact that you have racist supporters does not mean that you yourself are racist. While that is true, it does fit a pattern already established by his words and actions. It's further evidence, rather than sole proof. |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jan 1, 2010 0:21:44 GMT -5
 Ron Paul & Don Black. A picture is worth...well, you know. EDIT: Can't believe I totally forgot about the whole Ron Paul/White supremacist thingy. Either he's a racist trying to hide some of his views, or he's an idiot in terms of background checks on his associates and seriously needs to be more careful. |
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Post by Mira on Jan 1, 2010 1:40:04 GMT -5
Well, anyone can get a picture with a political figure if they are at the right place. In any case, Paul being racist/accusations of racism doesn't really justify Stein pulling the race card. Paul was not talking about race, he was talking about foreign policy.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jan 1, 2010 2:53:22 GMT -5
Well, anyone can get a picture with a political figure if they are at the right place. In any case, Paul being racist/accusations of racism doesn't really justify Stein pulling the race card. Paul was not talking about race, he was talking about foreign policy. Well it was at the Value Voters debate that this photo was taken, and this seems to attract people like Don Black who openly supported Ron Paul. The point being, be careful of the people you hang out with and the organizations you give speeches to. I'm also not defending Ben Stein--he plays the anti-Semite card at the drop of a hat--I'm just stating that at the very minimum Ron Paul's actions could be...better thought-out than what they are. EDIT: Here's what Don Black actually had to say on the matter: I still stand by my statement of him needing to be more careful about the gatherings he attends and the people he accepts money from. However, it's not like he's Bob Barr or Pat Buchanan--people who actually hang around with the Council of Conservative Citizens or speak on the openly racist talk show "The Political Cesspool." |
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Post by booley on Jan 1, 2010 4:50:32 GMT -5
The fact that you have racist supporters does not mean that you yourself are racist. True. But it does call into question Why Racists are giving their support.. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Jan 1, 2010 8:12:25 GMT -5
The fact that you have racist supporters does not mean that you yourself are racist. True. But it does call into question Why Racists are giving their support.. The far right seem to have an inordinate amount of racists attached to it. The far right also like the idea of smaller government, which is right inline with Ron Paul's views. |
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Post by Tiger on Jan 1, 2010 16:30:58 GMT -5
The fact that you have racist supporters does not mean that you yourself are racist. True. But it does call into question Why Racists are giving their support.. Because racism is a reactionary ideology and as such its adherents would be most likely to support the reactionary party. See also: |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jan 1, 2010 20:51:29 GMT -5
True. But it does call into question Why Racists are giving their support.. Because racism is a reactionary ideology and as such its adherents would be most likely to support the reactionary party. See also: Well in that case, one of the two candidates was black, so I'm not sure how much of McCain's platform mattered for some of these guys... |
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Post by Tiger on Jan 1, 2010 21:45:32 GMT -5
Well in that case, one of the two candidates was black, so I'm not sure how much of McCain's platform mattered for some of these guys... Right, it's an additional reason. Also, note that the guy did address the difference between the two candidates' platforms. |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jan 2, 2010 1:01:21 GMT -5
Well in that case, one of the two candidates was black, so I'm not sure how much of McCain's platform mattered for some of these guys... Right, it's an additional reason. Also, note that the guy did address the difference between the two candidates' platforms. Oh I know that he mentioned McCain's views on immigration but the overall message was still, "We can't allow even a half-black person to become President." |
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