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Post by Hades on May 26, 2010 9:27:52 GMT -5
I was surprised to find out that you're a mtf. I wouldn't have ever given your gender a second thought. As for the people giving you problems,
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Post by Tiger on May 26, 2010 12:17:51 GMT -5
Lead me to these people. I will make dice bags out of their lungs and use their tendons for cross-stitch. Can I have the kidneys when you're done?
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Post by xaria on May 26, 2010 19:33:48 GMT -5
Lead me to these people. I will make dice bags out of their lungs and use their tendons for cross-stitch. why? sure some of them are trying to insult me but if people see a man they arent trying to hurt me. its my fault for looking like a man. if i didnt they wouldnt choose those things to hurt me with (if they are trying to hurt me)
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Post by Lady Renae on May 26, 2010 21:10:52 GMT -5
Right, and size 0 twig of a woman is completely right when she calls a size 6 woman "you obese bitch", because people only use accuracy when they decide to insult someone they know or think is different from them.
Woman, I know genetic women who look more manly than you do. Some of them get the same insults and degradation. Some of them don't. Do you know what it depends on? The class of people around them. Let's call a juvenile bigot a juvenile bigot, ok?
Besides. I talk big, but I've yet to actually follow through on any of it.
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Post by Shane for Wax on May 27, 2010 8:06:43 GMT -5
I get called he often as I said in IRC, even tho I clearly have boobs. Haters are gonna hate, don't let it get to you. If you're comfortable in your own skin, that's all that matters. If you feel like a man, then feel like a man. If you feel like a woman, feel like a woman. *hugs* I hope that makes you feel better. I'm bad at the cheering up thing :/
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Post by RavynousHunter on May 27, 2010 16:55:00 GMT -5
I'm a man...mentally and physically. I got a dick and nuts, and I fuckin use em. That said, you feel like a woman while being physically male (or vice versa) and want to switch physical genders? Go ahead, not my place to stop ya. Freedom of Self-Determination: The Right of Every Adult.
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Post by witchofreason on Jun 2, 2010 22:03:13 GMT -5
I think stereotypes and gender roles go a bit far so people often consider themselves more masculine or feminine than they actually are. If you really had a gender/sex mismatch, you'd be fucking miserable.
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 2, 2010 22:25:24 GMT -5
That in itself is a stereotype, witchofreason. If it's a gigantic or complete mismatch, then yes it would be highly stressful, but even then it's entirely up to how the brain of the person in question handles unsatisfactory situations. Not every person reacts to everything in the same way.
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Post by witchofreason on Jun 2, 2010 22:30:30 GMT -5
That in itself is a stereotype, witchofreason. If it's a gigantic or complete mismatch, then yes it would be highly stressful, but even then it's entirely up to how the brain of the person in question handles unsatisfactory situations. Not every person reacts to everything in the same way. I don't know, I've known some transgendered people who still had some "Male"(or female) qualities. They were definitely strongly grasping on to who they were, but it wasn't like they were 100% utterly girly girly in a manly man's body. So I don't think it's right to say it's only in the case of a gigantic mismatch. I think it's true people do react to it in different ways. It probably wouldn't bother some people, but to me it's kind of like saying rape disturbing people is a stereotype... there's a deeper psychological effect that's hard to explain. There are probably some transgenders that convince themselves they're happy because transition was not practical... that really makes me sad. Maybe Gender Identity and Gender Dysphoria are actually two different but linked things... but I think in general at least, what I said isn't wrong, and a lot of people attribute masculine and feminine to thinks which have nothing to do with neurology or brain chemistry.
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Post by Vene on Jun 2, 2010 22:30:31 GMT -5
I think stereotypes and gender roles go a bit far so people often consider themselves more masculine or feminine than they actually are. If you really had a gender/sex mismatch, you'd be fucking miserable. Speaking as an observer of sex/gender mismatch, that's more or less what I see. There's a reason the suicide rate for transsexuals is so high (~50% attempt it).
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Post by witchofreason on Jun 2, 2010 22:32:50 GMT -5
Lead me to these people. I will make dice bags out of their lungs and use their tendons for cross-stitch. why? sure some of them are trying to insult me but if people see a man they arent trying to hurt me. its my fault for looking like a man. if i didnt they wouldnt choose those things to hurt me with (if they are trying to hurt me) People who see a man aren't going to the effort to see what's really there, and based on your appearance, are probably going to specific effort not to. The fact is, you probably do pass absolutely fine in theory. But people love to be clever little shits and go tranny hunting, and likely purely down to your height or similar you'll get accused of being a tranny. Don't be downtrodden on yourself because of how others view you. The idea of "Well maybe it's YOU'RE that wrong" is a poisonous one and very popular nowadays. In reality, the problem very often is other people and you should never think otherwise unless given a damn good reason. Also, your hair colour is awesome. If I were you though I'd cut a fringe into it. The "tranny forehead" if that makes any sense is something I see a lot. Generally it makes the face look less severe in general. Having flat straight hair with no fringe can look a bit like student hair.
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 2, 2010 22:51:10 GMT -5
That in itself is a stereotype, witchofreason. If it's a gigantic or complete mismatch, then yes it would be highly stressful, but even then it's entirely up to how the brain of the person in question handles unsatisfactory situations. Not every person reacts to everything in the same way. I don't know, I've known some transgendered people who still had some "Male"(or female) qualities. They were definitely strongly grasping on to who they were, but it wasn't like they were 100% utterly girly girly in a manly man's body. So I don't think it's right to say it's only in the case of a gigantic mismatch. I think it's true people do react to it in different ways. It probably wouldn't bother some people, but to me it's kind of like saying rape disturbing people is a stereotype... there's a deeper psychological effect that's hard to explain. There are probably some transgenders that convince themselves they're happy because transition was not practical... that really makes me sad. Maybe Gender Identity and Gender Dysphoria are actually two different but linked things... but I think in general at least, what I said isn't wrong, and a lot of people attribute masculine and feminine to thinks which have nothing to do with neurology or brain chemistry. You misunderstand what I mean by a mismatch. I'm not talking about how stereotypical you are; I'm talking about the difference between what you consider yourself to be and what your body is. If you see yourself as more male than female but have a female body and are able to wear clothes and the like that fit what you think you should look like to reflect your identity, that's a much smaller mismatch than identifying as strictly female and having a very masculine body. Yes, transgender individuals whose gender/sex mismatch is so great that they pursue transsexual hormone treatments and/or surgeries would be much more stressed by the overwhelming disparity between their identity and the message they perceive their physical form shares with others and themselves. That does not, however, mean that people who aren't massively stressed out or depressed by their mismatch don't really have one. That's like saying a bisexual man who hasn't had intimate relations with a woman yet is really just gay.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jun 3, 2010 3:08:01 GMT -5
Wait wait wait. I'm supposed to be depressed because my gender identity doesn't match with my physical and genetic sex? I'm a Genderqueer, and my gender will often change or fall outside of the binary.
AND I find myself to be more masculine than I actually am? What?!
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Post by The_L on Jun 3, 2010 10:41:26 GMT -5
why? sure some of them are trying to insult me but if people see a man they arent trying to hurt me. its my fault for looking like a man. if i didnt they wouldnt choose those things to hurt me with (if they are trying to hurt me) People who see a man aren't going to the effort to see what's really there, and based on your appearance, are probably going to specific effort not to. The fact is, you probably do pass absolutely fine in theory. But people love to be clever little shits and go tranny hunting, and likely purely down to your height or similar you'll get accused of being a tranny. I'd think this was B.S. if it weren't for the actual experience of a straight, cis-female colleague. She has short hair and small breasts. Once, when she was holding hands with her husband, someone stopped them to tell them that fags like them would burn in hell. Wait wait wait. I'm supposed to be depressed because my gender identity doesn't match with my physical and genetic sex? I'm a Genderqueer, and my gender will often change or fall outside of the binary. AND I find myself to be more masculine than I actually am? What?! Yeah, I get the feeling that WoR understands what she's talking about roughly half the time, and WHARRGARBL's the rest. Which is actually a higher success rate than I had when I first started posting on the Internet, but still pretty low.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jun 3, 2010 12:09:47 GMT -5
I'm very confused that people are making it seem like transgendered or genderqueers can't be legitimately happy, that we're fooling ourselves. I was actually VERY depressed before I realized I was trying to be what other people thought I should be based on my sex (That I should act like a girl). Now I act in a way that feels natural, whether that means I act like a female or a male it depends on the situation and I'm not forcing myself into the gender role society wants to assign me.
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