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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 28, 2009 23:17:58 GMT -5
What the hell does "your current generation of apologists" even mean? You have several generations of people with experience telling you what you're saying is wrong, and you're acting like you're fending off the new 3rd Wave Apologetics, or something. By the way, whatever happened to that dude who was supposed to show up to help you? Oh yeah, I forgot all about Skyfire's "friend"....I'm waiting with bated breath.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 28, 2009 23:59:50 GMT -5
You assume that I've even read Nibley in the first place. Do you really think "I'm fucking ignorant" is a good defense?
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 29, 2009 0:02:52 GMT -5
What the hell does "your current generation of apologists" even mean? You have several generations of people with experience telling you what you're saying is wrong, and you're acting like you're fending off the new 3rd Wave Apologetics, or something. By the way, whatever happened to that dude who was supposed to show up to help you? Oh yeah, I forgot all about Skyfire's "friend"....I'm waiting with bated breath. He's been sick, busy, dead, and he had a sudden outbreak of swine flu. Oh, and a case of 72 hour gay.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 29, 2009 0:40:05 GMT -5
Oh, and a case of 72 hour gay. Yeah, I had the 36 hour gay and my ass hurt like hell the next morning.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Apr 29, 2009 1:46:36 GMT -5
Moral of the story: Fruity drinks really DO make you gay. So avoid them unless you want to deal with the consequences.
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Post by Lady Renae on Apr 29, 2009 2:02:08 GMT -5
But I've never had a fruity drink in my life, and I'm gay. Well, half gay. Well, bi. Well, homoflexible with a leaning towards incredible personalities and non-stereotypically presented gender identities. Point being, I haven't touched the fruity drinks, and I'm all kinds of nummy fruity flavor. So how did I catch teh ghey?
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Apr 29, 2009 2:04:01 GMT -5
Did you ever masturbate? Because I've heard you can catch teh ghey like that, too.
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Post by Lady Renae on Apr 29, 2009 2:05:37 GMT -5
Only after I caught it.. but I did sit next to a ghey in my computer applications class in high school... and... I looked him in the eye one time... and complemented his jacket! oh no! *shame*
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 29, 2009 5:12:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot all about Skyfire's "friend"....I'm waiting with bated breath. He's been sick, busy, dead, and he had a sudden outbreak of swine flu. Oh, and a case of 72 hour gay. He was most likely one of the chuckleheads that was b& already
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Post by canadian mojo on Apr 29, 2009 7:04:57 GMT -5
Did you ever masturbate? Because I've heard you can catch teh ghey like that, too. Only if you get the ghey germs on you hand. It's more comon that you catch it when a ghey sneezes on you. It's pretty contageous. BTW that's also why you need to say 'bless you' when someone sneezes. If the person seems indifferent, or worse, reacts badly to it, you know that they are not a good christian and probably has the ghey germ. At the very least thay are infected with atheism or a false religion of some sort. You need to say a quick prayer to buy yourself some time and immediatly go get yourself innoculated. Go to church and make a big donation. If you can't get to church, turn on the TV and make a donation to your favorite televangilist. Donating to the Republican party can also be pretty effective.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 29, 2009 8:15:13 GMT -5
What the hell does "your current generation of apologists" even mean? You have several generations of people with experience telling you what you're saying is wrong, and you're acting like you're fending off the new 3rd Wave Apologetics, or something. By the way, whatever happened to that dude who was supposed to show up to help you? Oh yeah, I forgot all about Skyfire's "friend"....I'm waiting with bated breath. Current generation = 1980s and thereafter. During the 1980s, the apologists who came on the scene shifted from simply playing defense to periodically playing offense, spurred on by a critic named Walter Martin who declared that the credentials of any person were to be regarded as fair game; they felt that if Martin and his followers were just fine with examining the credentials of non-"Christians," then Martin & co. should be willing to have their own credentials checked. This led to a situation in the late 1980s and early 1990s where critics of the church started seeing their careers get hammered or even disappear once the skeletons started to emerge from the closets. The first to go down was a guy named D. J. Nelson, whose doctoral degree was found to be fake and who had been lying about his field work. Martin himself would later get caught in the backdraft, as it was discovered that his ordination to minister had actually been revoked back in the 19 50s after he ran afoul of his ordaining body. The cottage industry that is criticizing the church briefly imploded during the early and middle 1990s as the herd was culled; several prominent figures went down in flames, while others were temporarily placed on the defensive for the first time in their careers. This culminated in a report issued in 1997 by a pair of graduate students named Carl Mosser and Paul Owen. For their graduate work, they decided to survey a series of Mormon apologetical works and compare them to a series of critical works that were on the shelves at the time. Their conclusion was that since the 1980s, the average apologist was becoming increasingly sophisticated and had a greater likelihood of sporting a degree in a relevant field. In contrast, the average critic was actually regressing in the amount of education and sophistication displayed; any research they did was often little more than leaning on a few previous critics, and what new material they did produce tended to be innuendo and invective instead of actual arguments. They concluded that at the present rate things were going, the critics of the church would ultimately crash and burn while the apologists would win the day. Mosser & Owen got together with a few up-and-coming critics to publish a book of new arguments and material shortly thereafter, but the bulk of their arguments were rebutted by the end of the decade. It wouldn't be until a few years ago that any new critics emerged with what seemed like credible and potent arguments, but they've all started to go down in flames as well thanks to their falling into the same old patterns of behaviour.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 29, 2009 8:59:48 GMT -5
But I've never had a fruity drink in my life, and I'm gay. Well, half gay. Well, bi. Well, homoflexible with a leaning towards incredible personalities and non-stereotypically presented gender identities. Point being, I haven't touched the fruity drinks, and I'm all kinds of nummy fruity flavor. So how did I catch teh ghey? Pssssh. You're a GIRL. by default, the things you do are considered fruity.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 29, 2009 9:47:36 GMT -5
But I've never had a fruity drink in my life, and I'm gay. Well, half gay. Well, bi. Well, homoflexible with a leaning towards incredible personalities and non-stereotypically presented gender identities. Point being, I haven't touched the fruity drinks, and I'm all kinds of nummy fruity flavor. So how did I catch teh ghey? Oh, LR I didn't know you were bi--I love bisexual women (I also love hitting on the Mods
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Post by ironbite on Apr 29, 2009 12:29:23 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot all about Skyfire's "friend"....I'm waiting with bated breath. Current generation = 1980s and thereafter. During the 1980s, the apologists who came on the scene shifted from simply playing defense to periodically playing offense, spurred on by a critic named Walter Martin who declared that the credentials of any person were to be regarded as fair game; they felt that if Martin and his followers were just fine with examining the credentials of non-"Christians," then Martin & co. should be willing to have their own credentials checked. This led to a situation in the late 1980s and early 1990s where critics of the church started seeing their careers get hammered or even disappear once the skeletons started to emerge from the closets. The first to go down was a guy named D. J. Nelson, whose doctoral degree was found to be fake and who had been lying about his field work. Martin himself would later get caught in the backdraft, as it was discovered that his ordination to minister had actually been revoked back in the 19 50s after he ran afoul of his ordaining body. The cottage industry that is criticizing the church briefly imploded during the early and middle 1990s as the herd was culled; several prominent figures went down in flames, while others were temporarily placed on the defensive for the first time in their careers. This culminated in a report issued in 1997 by a pair of graduate students named Carl Mosser and Paul Owen. For their graduate work, they decided to survey a series of Mormon apologetical works and compare them to a series of critical works that were on the shelves at the time. Their conclusion was that since the 1980s, the average apologist was becoming increasingly sophisticated and had a greater likelihood of sporting a degree in a relevant field. In contrast, the average critic was actually regressing in the amount of education and sophistication displayed; any research they did was often little more than leaning on a few previous critics, and what new material they did produce tended to be innuendo and invective instead of actual arguments. They concluded that at the present rate things were going, the critics of the church would ultimately crash and burn while the apologists would win the day. Mosser & Owen got together with a few up-and-coming critics to publish a book of new arguments and material shortly thereafter, but the bulk of their arguments were rebutted by the end of the decade. It wouldn't be until a few years ago that any new critics emerged with what seemed like credible and potent arguments, but they've all started to go down in flames as well thanks to their falling into the same old patterns of behaviour. I'm sorry but how does this answer the question of where your friend got off to?
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 29, 2009 15:58:27 GMT -5
It's the critics don't you see?! The critics drove them off!
I'm glad he can reinforce his persecution complex with a timeline. Too bad no one really gives a shit because he's brought it all on himself
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