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Post by Julian on Jan 6, 2011 6:32:35 GMT -5
Tiger – Make a thread about Saudi Arabia's treatment of women, or the massacres of Kurds in Saddam's Iraq, and see how many posts you get. Then compare that to the number you get in any given “Israel does something bad” thread. I guarantee that the Israel one will get more posts than the others, and that the vast majority of these will be critical of Israel. How is such disproportionate mass-criticism of Israel anything less than demonisation? Oh dear... It's already mentioned that they're in response to apologetic canards however, I would also like to refer your flailing to the Streisand effect. Half the people on this board wouldn't have a 100th of their information on what a load of fail Mormonism was if it hadn't been for Skyfire's perpetual 'defense' of it, and you're doing exactly the same thing here.
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Post by Julian on Jan 6, 2011 6:27:01 GMT -5
Mira - Then forget about those specific examples. My point is that Israel receives criticism that is completely disproportionate to the supposed barbarity of its actions. Are you fucking nuts??? Criticism of barbarity is worse than barbarity now? Or are you merely saying that the barbarity should be ignored?
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Post by Julian on Jan 6, 2011 6:23:25 GMT -5
Israel is arguably the most democratic and humane government (at least in regards to gender equality, religious toleration, and dealing with peaceful dissent) in the Middle East, Oh dear... All I can say is this! [damn spent a while looking for a clip from Mock the Week where the statement started out as very impressive, then got qualified into complete fail. Like Frankie Boyle's example - You're an International Footballer! .... for Scotland. There were about 10 similar. I'll post it if I can find it again, it's looking like I'd have to spend ages actually trawling through shit on youtube in realtime though, and at the moment I'm far happier with Tchaikovsky's piano concerto #1.] or these (a microscopic sample) www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/10/palestinians-poised-to-take-centre-stagewww.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/19/israeli-arabs-palestinian-stateSeriously dude - get your hand off it!
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Post by Julian on Jan 6, 2011 5:37:32 GMT -5
From another threadSo, anyone want to discuss those crazy Holocaust deniers who claim that the Auschwitz and Chelmno gas chambers were for lice prevention? Thought better here than in the comics thread. Well I think not only did the Holocaust not happen but the entire World War was a fake. World War Two was just a massive case of friendly fire because no one could see anyone else. So the Americans were really shooting at the British and French who looked German. The poor germans and Japanese just got caught in the cross fire. And Hitler never existed. He was a product of the Jim Henson company, doing an early version of Dark Crystal. And no Jews died. They all got a secret letter from the CJO (Central Jew Office) to move to Florida and pretend to be senior citizens Which is why their kids never call. Because their kids don't really exist either! Oh and Obama is in on it. But he's not the anti Christ. He's Cthulhu! That's how the jews got to Florida. He let them walk over R'lyeh. In short, if we are really going to entertain crazy fucked up conspiracy theories, lets entertain REALLY crazy fucked up conspiracy theories. But you forgot the most logical explanation which was the Grand Elders of Zion™ engineered WWII after they started WWI but it failed to give them what they wanted, and the 6 million martyrs died willingly in a suicide pact to frame the Germans, so that they could reclaim the holy land without bothering to go on a crusade...
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Post by Julian on Jan 6, 2011 5:32:42 GMT -5
One of the things that Holocaust Deniers have a problem with is that the Germans (with their infamous efficiency) kept very accurate records of what happened where. Attempts to destroy them towards the end of the war were largely unsuccessful as they also always kept duplicate copies. Of course, the argument they most commonly use is that Hitler didn't give the order to gas anyone. Sort of true: He did order the Wannassee conference to be held, and its remit was to solve what they called the "Jewish Problem". However, if anyone thinks that the members of the Nazi party, in particular the SS did anything without Hitler's approval, then they are living on another planet. Exactly this! - Particularly the first paragraph!
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Post by Julian on Jan 6, 2011 4:16:40 GMT -5
Granted, you puke and feel much better. Granted you ninja'd me by a new world record margin! I wish I lived in this universe too! www.xkcd.com/843/
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Post by Julian on Jan 6, 2011 2:36:08 GMT -5
Thanks very much for the extra info!
At the time I wasn't sure if you had to stay in the country you claimed asylum in, (and it was too inconvenient to research), and also I was thinking that they could claim asylum at the German border (not sure if that's the case), although if it was, they potentially claimed asylum at the Czech border, rather than say Prague, even though this meant they'd already passed through at least two EU countries to get there. Or was it at an embassy somewhere?
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Post by Julian on Jan 4, 2011 15:17:03 GMT -5
Damn ninjas... Damn tortoise mobile phone...
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Post by Julian on Jan 4, 2011 15:15:33 GMT -5
Punjabi governor. Just got murdered in cold bood by his bodyguard because he was trying to loosen up their blasphemy laws. Got shot 9 times.
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Post by Julian on Jan 4, 2011 14:57:29 GMT -5
Who wants to get the ball rolling on this one?
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Post by Julian on Jan 4, 2011 5:29:47 GMT -5
Granted, Westboro catch a bad case of teh ghey and start picketing NASCAR races in disco glam 70's gear.
I wish they did a NASCAR race where the drivers had to drink a bottle of JD first, beat up a mannequin and then floor it with one arm out the window giving the crowd the forks. It might give tthe spectators something to think about.
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Post by Julian on Jan 4, 2011 4:06:12 GMT -5
Granted, they replace dead baby jokes as a fad in the new magically homogenised gene pool. You also get transported to the year 4080, and are kept in a cage and wheeled out to tell such jokes at your feeding time. Out of kindness, they finally cured your itchy anus, and they also let you fling your poo at future gawpers.
I wish Saddam's blood had been used for a Twilight novel instead.
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Post by Julian on Jan 3, 2011 1:00:39 GMT -5
Fred, did you listen to that? So AI started by writing letters, and your bagging a group that started by writing a letter, and this one was actually open, and it did it's purpose of lighting a candle behind the barbed wire, did it not? Sorry for not trimming stuff. Can't. AI's original tactic was vaguely similar. They write letters to people who breach hman rights law. However, this tactic was designed to achieve a strategic aim; to scare nasty people nto letting political prisoners through foreign scorn. They also had other things planned, like short-term and long-term aims, ect. This Palestinians group has none of those things; without them, Amnesty would have failed too. I know. And Amnesty's letters didn't do jack for forty years, which I assume you know. Hamas do deserve to be on that fuck you list though, however it's horrible to see a people so utterly oppressed and dehumanised that they felt the need to vote them in. Edit, and I would disagree with the use of the word scare. (Pre ICJ and threats of prosecution)
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Post by Julian on Jan 3, 2011 0:41:01 GMT -5
Actual social movements answer these questions before they do anything else. Until they do so, this is a joke in bad taste. What is wrong ltfred, the US not high enough on their "fuck you" list? As usual, you didn't actually address any of his points, and came up with an actual ad hominem fallacy. Also of note, it's not as high on the list as it should be. They were probably only referring to the US role in the 'peace' process in which case the US does have a lesser presence than the UN on the ground in Gaza. If you factor in US support for Israel, then it should be higher.
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Post by Julian on Jan 2, 2011 22:57:27 GMT -5
What do you mean by bad taste? Their movement is disorganised and cannot have any positive effect. Without real organisation, the weak cannot challenge the strong. All this will do is, at most, siphon off youths who would be working for Hamas (an organisation that does have all of the above). Hamas has a reasonable chance of success against Israel with it's mixture of diplomacy, non-violence and reactive violence. Look at any successful social movement, from Solidarity to the African National Congress and the SCLC. What's the difference between them and unsuccessful movements? Organisation. So their target is potentially pro-Palestinian but apathetic people the West? Is that a real group? How else do they intend to achieve success in that group? You do know what amnesty international's logo is don't you, and why? Amnesty International is a good example of what these people aren't. FROM THE START Amensty was organised. At the beginning, AI had a list of tactics (letter-writing and such) and a list of goals- both long-term and short-term. They had a broad strategy- to force nations to obey human rights law through ridicule and the threat of Western disdain and they had a constituency with which to do that. That is the only reason AI has achieved anything at all. Fred, did you listen to that? So AI started by writing letters, and your bagging a group that started by writing a letter, and this one was actually open, and it did it's purpose of lighting a candle behind the barbed wire, did it not? Sorry for not trimming stuff. Can't.
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