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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 6, 2011 9:43:51 GMT -5
I’d say the parts of Manglish that are using the Mandarin, Malay, or Cantonese are the worst English.  |
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Post by jackmann on Oct 6, 2011 10:57:04 GMT -5
To be completely fair, she was teaching English as a second language. Given that, proficiency with the language (including pronunciation) is going to be necessary for her job. That being said, it doesn't sound like her accent was all that bad.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Oct 6, 2011 16:01:04 GMT -5
Particular? "Y'all" is equally as improper as "wocabulary."
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Post by Vene on Oct 6, 2011 16:19:53 GMT -5
Particular? "Y'all" is equally as improper as "wocabulary." Something tells me that Arizona is not very concerned about "y'all.' Hell, you have non-rhotic accents in the States that don't like to pronounce "r" and I can point to my accent, and the accent of other people raised in Michigan, where we like to drop syllables from words. Which leads us back to the Oxford English requirement if we want to apply this law fairly, which is absurd. The only purpose of this law is to make life harder for immigrants; both those that teach and by making it harder for them to find resources to actually learn English. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 6, 2011 16:23:16 GMT -5
Particular? "Y'all" is equally as improper as "wocabulary." Contractions are improper now? |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Oct 6, 2011 16:27:22 GMT -5
It's not recognized, so yes.
I think the only issue is whether or not there is a demonstratable issue to the class. If that is the case, I don't care if you're an immigrant, a southerner, or Shakespeare itself.
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 6, 2011 17:05:50 GMT -5
It's not recognized, so yes. Not recognized by whom? |
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Post by priestling on Oct 6, 2011 17:52:34 GMT -5
Oxford English, for one. 'Y'all' is distinctly southern, and a dialectal contraction of 'you all'. Regional, yes, but it's not proper English.
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 6, 2011 18:01:09 GMT -5
Oxford English, for one. 'Y'all' is distinctly southern, and a dialectal contraction of 'you all'. Regional, yes, but it's not proper English. Once again: what makes Oxford English any more proper than Southern United States English? |
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Post by priestling on Oct 6, 2011 18:36:23 GMT -5
it's nationally recognized as the 'correct' way to speak English according to the academic community, Plume.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 6, 2011 21:18:39 GMT -5
Particular? "Y'all" is equally as improper as "wocabulary." "Ya'll" is part of a dialect, not an accent. The point is that, in the south, a word pronounced using a southern accent is considered the "proper" pronunciation. Just like the difference in the way North Americans vs. Brits pronounce "Banana" -- either is correct, depending on which region you're in. |
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Post by sugarfreejazz on Oct 6, 2011 22:19:24 GMT -5
Alas the coil! Forsooth! Shakespearean English is the only proper English, ye idle-headed knaves!
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Oct 6, 2011 23:50:20 GMT -5
Oxford English, for one. 'Y'all' is distinctly southern, and a dialectal contraction of 'you all'. Regional, yes, but it's not proper English. Oxford English isn't "proper" English by any means. There is no official body governing what is or is not English. If you want a language like that look to French. Oxford is simply a case of a group of people with a high opinion of themselves thinking that their opinion means shit to the ~1 billion people who speak English as either a primary or secondary language. Most being secondary speakers, of course. Claiming that your way of pronouncing a language is the "proper" way is simple arrogance. |
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Post by ltfred on Oct 7, 2011 1:15:56 GMT -5
Oxford English, for one. 'Y'all' is distinctly southern, and a dialectal contraction of 'you all'. Regional, yes, but it's not proper English. Once again: what makes Oxford English any more proper than Southern United States English? Once your ancestors invent a language, you'll get to decide how to speak it. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 7, 2011 7:21:03 GMT -5
it's nationally recognized as the 'correct' way to speak English according to the academic community, Plume. You’ll have to forgive me if I find “The Academic Community” to be a little vague. I’d like to know exactly who you are talking about and what gives them the authority to declare that the vast majority of English speakers are somehow speaking their language wrong. |
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