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Post by Wykked Wytch on Oct 31, 2011 23:13:25 GMT -5
I, for one, would like to apologize for hurting the monkey's feelings. You weren't annoying. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sorry, monkey, please don't throw poop at me. Wykked, I don't think I did anything to offend you, but if I did, that was not my intention either. Thinking back, I'm pretty sure I did look at Mayella as sexual harrassment. Didn't she block the door or something? I'm not sure what that counts as. But I was sort of distracted by the fact that she was trying to get Tom sent to jail &/or killed to save her own ass. I'll save the monkey for an MRA troll. Or a particularly SSTDT quote. You didn't offend me at all. I don't recall you ever saying anything to offend me. I don't remember if she blocked the door or not. But yeah, the whole focus on the "lying in court" part was definitely emphasized over "a man got raped" part. The original intention of the book was to show how racial prejudice destroys innocent lives. I don't know if Harper Lee was intending this or not, but gender roles and sexist stereotypes also come into play. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Oct 31, 2011 23:25:47 GMT -5
She...he...? Whatever. Shler was definitely trying to get across that Mayella was the aggressor. I think it follows from that that "if anyone was a rapist, it was her." I'm skeptical that she meant for it to be a main moral, as the rest of it is...pretty damn anvillicious, but it was pretty anti-descriminatory in general. Boo was white, that didn't stop people from persecutin' him.
Edit: From the wording, I thought that vagina-on-penis rape would count, because it doesn't explicitly say the victim has to be the one who IS penetrated. But it is vague on that.
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Post by lexikon on Oct 31, 2011 23:36:04 GMT -5
And does the penetration have to be from a penis? I've heard of truly sick people using glass bottles and rose stems.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Nov 1, 2011 3:51:45 GMT -5
Pretty amazing that people on Livejournal agree men can be raped. In my experience, Livejournal is full of femiNazis.
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Post by Patches on Nov 1, 2011 6:26:56 GMT -5
One that occurred to me earlier was Bleach. While I normally think it's pretty good regarding gender issues, I notice that none of its slapstick ever extends to a woman. In fact, I think that might be true of slapstick in general. And people can't fathom why I absolutely despise the "romantic" relationships in Inuyasha because they ALL revolve around the girl beating the snot out of the guy for the smallest infractions. Often when the guy didn't actually do anything wrong, but the girl thinks he did, so it's okay. Actually, that seems to hold true for Rumiko Takahashi relationships in general (except in her current series, Kyoukai no Rinne, for which I am insanely grateful). |
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Post by The Lazy One on Nov 1, 2011 9:55:06 GMT -5
Pretty amazing that people on Livejournal agree men can be raped. In my experience, Livejournal is full of femiNazis. Ugh. It really is. According to certain individuals on LJ, if you like to read slash fic, you're automatically a misogynist that hates yourself (if you are female). And don't get me started on the posters there that completely abhor violence against women but have no problem posting graphic murder fantasies towards men who may not even have committed a crime that they were accused of, then dogpile anyone who says that's not on. Why yes, I am still angry about that. |
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Post by anti-nonsense on Nov 1, 2011 19:11:41 GMT -5
One that occurred to me earlier was Bleach. While I normally think it's pretty good regarding gender issues, I notice that none of its slapstick ever extends to a woman. In fact, I think that might be true of slapstick in general. And people can't fathom why I absolutely despise the "romantic" relationships in Inuyasha because they ALL revolve around the girl beating the snot out of the guy for the smallest infractions. Often when the guy didn't actually do anything wrong, but the girl thinks he did, so it's okay. Actually, that seems to hold true for Rumiko Takahashi relationships in general (except in her current series, Kyoukai no Rinne, for which I am insanely grateful). yeah Rumiko Takahashi sucks at relationships, actually beyond sucks. |
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 1, 2011 19:26:20 GMT -5
One that occurred to me earlier was Bleach. While I normally think it's pretty good regarding gender issues, I notice that none of its slapstick ever extends to a woman. In fact, I think that might be true of slapstick in general. And people can't fathom why I absolutely despise the "romantic" relationships in Inuyasha because they ALL revolve around the girl beating the snot out of the guy for the smallest infractions. Often when the guy didn't actually do anything wrong, but the girl thinks he did, so it's okay. Actually, that seems to hold true for Rumiko Takahashi relationships in general (except in her current series, Kyoukai no Rinne, for which I am insanely grateful). The real problem here is that people are watching Inuyasha. /snark But I guess it shows that the double standard is cross-cultural. It's not a uniquely American phenomenon. Although I'm sure that a woman hitting a man in Saudi Arabia would be considered dangerous, and then stoned to death. But that's a whole other can of worms. |
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Post by musicalbookworm on Nov 1, 2011 21:29:08 GMT -5
That description of Wedding Crashers makes me ill. Rape is not OK--no matter the victim or the perp. Sexual abuse and harasment is never OK whether the victim is male or female. I am a female faculty member (librarian) at a regional state U with a lot of non-traditional students. I have dated a student and I suspect another one might be interested. (the ex turned out to be a toe-nail eating troll but that is another story.) I was careful and made sure I knew the university policy. I "met" the ex online and then found out he was a grad student here. He made the first move. I will not make a move on a student full stop. I will not even send a facebook friend request to a student, but will accept (almost) all requests from students. I will not date a student I am or could potentially be in a position of authority over. I think it is the responsibility of the person with a higher degree of power in any relationship to make sure ethical lines are not.
Having said all that, I also think it's important to maintain a sense of humor. Cartoon violence can be funny both in the cartoons and in real life as long as all parties involved know the rules of the game, no one gets hurt and the rules apply equally to all.
This discussion makes me think of a time I didn't realize I was being hit on until it was tool late (and I did find the guy attractive!) They dude's opening line? "Are you taking a picture of my butt? Because if you are that is sexual harasment." EEEP! I do try to be sensitive and not treat others in ways I would find objectionable. I was also nervous that day because I had been shooting earlier that day and someone threatened (seriously) to kick my ass if I took a picture of her.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 2, 2011 1:12:40 GMT -5
Although I'm sure that a woman hitting a man in Saudi Arabia would be considered dangerous, and then stoned to death. But that's a whole other can of worms. I actually consider that a similar can of worms, namely because it imposes yet another double standard. A man beating his wife is okay, but a woman beating her husband is not. Due to the fact that the extreme is different, I consider that worse than this situation... Though being punched and kicked to a pulp for retaliating against a woman hitting you is pretty damn close. |
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Post by Colosphe on Nov 2, 2011 1:45:53 GMT -5
Though being punched and kicked to a pulp for retaliating against a woman hitting you is pretty damn close. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 2, 2011 3:09:20 GMT -5
Exactamundo.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 3, 2011 12:13:51 GMT -5
I'm back, babes.
I concur. Really, I've always chalked that up to the writer having a terrible sense of humor & falling back on the same tired running joke. Naruto does something similar.
Heh, I love how the woman's crying, "How could he slap me?" Yeah, it hurt, didn't it?
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Post by ragabash on Nov 3, 2011 13:09:45 GMT -5
Sadly the culture of silence that does exist with men towards female-on-male abuse doesn't help, nor does the fact that female abusers usually use emotional abuse which in some people's minds doesn't seem to count. For my part I'm trying to break that culture of silence by not hiding that I was emotionally abused by my ex-wife. I'd like to say that it takes real strength to stand up and speak out about something like that, if anybody calls you weak because of what happened, you should laugh in their face. Sadly, I haven't been called weak, but I did have one coworker decide it was an invitation to make me her next target of gossip at work, to the end result of me being on my fourth month of stress leave. Yay fraudulent sexual harrassment accusations... |
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