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Post by Yla on Dec 2, 2011 8:16:01 GMT -5
And what do you have to say yourself?
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Post by Rime on Dec 2, 2011 8:33:54 GMT -5
First page, he wasn't defending racism. This got out of hand from the first page. What he said was they can say what they want, and we have a right to disagree and be disgusted with it, (and besides, when you look at the horrible logic they're using to support their claims, it really begins to fall apart). It seemed that both Caitshide and WW were under the impression that he's okay with racists, but he said no such thing. EDIT: Yes, Yla, I know you're looking for an official statement from him, but look over the thread from the beginning if you already haven't.
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 2, 2011 8:37:45 GMT -5
And what do you have to say yourself? I think I've already said plenty. What more are you looking for?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 2, 2011 15:29:28 GMT -5
And what do you have to say yourself? I think I've already said plenty. What more are you looking for? You do realize Distind was talking to you, too, right?
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 2, 2011 18:04:13 GMT -5
I think I've already said plenty. What more are you looking for? You do realize Distind was talking to you, too, right? And you do realise I agreed with him in entirety, don't you?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 2, 2011 19:16:07 GMT -5
You do realize Distind was talking to you, too, right? And you do realise I agreed with him in entirety, don't you? As you've given me no reason to believe that, what with your mannerisms in this thread, I would say "no." You've yet to acknowledge any guilt in the matter, so to believe that you're agreeing in entirety with Distind is a stretch. What it comes across as is that you believe yourself to be the exception to Distind's statement, and not actually included. If this is incorrect, then prove me wrong, and I will gladly rescind my statement.
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Post by Jodie on Dec 2, 2011 19:34:28 GMT -5
What the hell guys? LHM isn't defending racist beliefs, and no where did he imply that. He just said that the people of the Church have the right to believe whatever they want, no matter how messed up it is, because that's how freedom of expression works. And in the same way, as others in this thread have pointed out, we have the freedom of expression to ridicule them for it.
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 2, 2011 19:41:01 GMT -5
And you do realise I agreed with him in entirety, don't you? As you've given me no reason to believe that, what with your mannerisms in this thread, I would say "no." You've yet to acknowledge any guilt in the matter, so to believe that you're agreeing in entirety with Distind is a stretch. What it comes across as is that you believe yourself to be the exception to Distind's statement, and not actually included. If this is incorrect, then prove me wrong, and I will gladly rescind my statement. Donj't have the energy, sorry. You'll have to get your minutiae arguing fix elsewhere for a while.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 2, 2011 19:43:10 GMT -5
What the hell guys? LHM isn't defending racist beliefs, and no where did he imply that. He just said that the people of the Church have the right to believe whatever they want, no matter how messed up it is, because that's how freedom of expression works. And in the same way, as others in this thread have pointed out, we have the freedom of expression to ridicule them for it. I'm not denying nor do I wish to deny the church's right to freedom of expression or association. What I do take a beef with is the assertion that being critical of racism is somehow equivalent to racism.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Dec 2, 2011 19:43:50 GMT -5
Y'know, I'm just relieved that I'm not the only person with a hair-trigger response to overblown perceptions of "threats" lately. *eats a pickle*
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 2, 2011 19:45:03 GMT -5
Being kneejerk critical to racism, and assuming you are right, on spec, and that the other guy is automatically wrong, is, IMHO, equivalent.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 2, 2011 20:22:21 GMT -5
Being kneejerk critical to racism, and assuming you are right, on spec, and that the other guy is automatically wrong, is, IMHO, equivalent. How the fuck is it equivalent? There is absolutely no situation where expelling an interracial couple from one's congregation simply for being interracial is a morally right or noble thing to do. Therefore, the church is wrong.
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Post by SCarpelan on Dec 2, 2011 20:54:32 GMT -5
Being kneejerk critical to racism, and assuming you are right, on spec, and that the other guy is automatically wrong, is, IMHO, equivalent. Racism is based on the idea that there are such things as separate biological races in current human species. According to modern understanding of genetics this is not the case. If they want to be taken seriously they first have to present convincing evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 2, 2011 21:32:32 GMT -5
What the hell guys? LHM isn't defending racist beliefs, One person said he was. The others are upset because he's equating being critical of racism with denying racists basic rights of free speech. In essence, he insulted all of us and equated being critical of racism to wishing to deny them rights, which no one ever said once. Also, LHM, I can safely conclude that you are not agreeing with Distind's statement 100%. People have pointed out flaw after flaw in your logic and you've yet to acknowledge a single one. When Distind criticized everybody (myself included), you act as if he wasn't criticizing you. If you think I want an argument, you're wrong. I want an honest apology. That is acceptable proof of the fact that you claim to agree with Distind's statement. However, you've yet to acknowledge this, and I doubt you ever will,s o... LHM, I charge you with attempting to deny others the right to free speech, simply because you disagree with that speech. The free speech you are attempting to deny is the opinion that racism is disgusting. What say you?
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 3, 2011 4:02:23 GMT -5
Being kneejerk critical to racism, and assuming you are right, on spec, and that the other guy is automatically wrong, is, IMHO, equivalent. How the fuck is it equivalent? There is absolutely no situation where expelling an interracial couple from one's congregation simply for being interracial is a morally right or noble thing to do. Therefore, the church is wrong. In your opinion. Their opinion is different, and both opinions are equally subjective.
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