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Post by Haseen on Dec 7, 2011 6:48:43 GMT -5
Sorry guys, but to someone who grew up with A. health insurance and B. state sponsored medical care this really sounds beyond ludicrous. Trust me, you're not alone. The whole system *is* insane, but reform is hard because the people making piles of cash will fight tooth and nail to preserve it. And they have a shitload of money to do so. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 7, 2011 6:53:43 GMT -5
Being a survivor of many things that would have killed me in days without medical attention, it seems ludicrous that others can't get the same care. But there are many who can't. and we need to change that.
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Post by erictheblue on Dec 7, 2011 7:31:26 GMT -5
Mr. Perry, have you ever stopped to think that these people can't afford to go? It was Santorum, not Perry. Although I suspect Perry believes the same. |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Dec 7, 2011 9:34:06 GMT -5
Being a survivor of many things that would have killed me in days without medical attention, it seems ludicrous that others can't get the same care. But there are many who can't. and we need to change that. COMMUNIST SOCIALIST HIPPIE LIEBERAL SCUMBAG! ...I'm beginning to suspect I've been implanted with a conservative reaction chip. |
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Post by brendanrizzo on Dec 7, 2011 10:51:18 GMT -5
So he's basically saying, "I reject your reality... and substitute my own!"
Eh, just let him mouth off. By this point, Santorum is probably hated even more than Dick Cheney.
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Post by Aqualung on Dec 7, 2011 11:07:12 GMT -5
Of course he does. Fucking asshole. For a foreigner, explain to me would ya? Say you're a youngish American, you work, pay taxes, all of that, and because you are young, fit and healthy, you havn't bothered with insurance yet. Say you come down with an expensive, chronic, but otherwise survivable condition. What exactly happens after diagnosis? Lets say 23 year old male diagnosed with a really treatable non-Hodgkin lymphoma. So with full chemo and therapy, you have a better than 80% chance of survival, but you have no money to pay for $100k worth of medical treatment. What happens? That's pretty much what happened to me, and I was also unemployed at the time. I went to a sliding-scale clinic to find out what was wrong with me, then spent two nights in hospital. The hospital charity ended up paying my over-$6,000 hospital bill. Then I was able to get a supply of insulin through the insulin companies until I could get on the state health care program. I know how lucky I was though, thank goodness MN isn't quite as backwards as a lot of other states. |
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Post by Bezron on Dec 7, 2011 12:35:24 GMT -5
For a foreigner, explain to me would ya? Say you're a youngish American, you work, pay taxes, all of that, and because you are young, fit and healthy, you havn't bothered with insurance yet. Say you come down with an expensive, chronic, but otherwise survivable condition. What exactly happens after diagnosis? Lets say 23 year old male diagnosed with a really treatable non-Hodgkin lymphoma. So with full chemo and therapy, you have a better than 80% chance of survival, but you have no money to pay for $100k worth of medical treatment. What happens? What happens is that this person either goes into debt for the rest of their life or they die. Also, they will probably never be able to get a decent health insurance plan after diagnosis. Even if they went with an employer subsidized plan, many of their healthcare claims would be denied based upon vague pre-existing conditions (happened to the guy who used to work for me, he had "butt-cancer" before he worked here...his words, not mine). Many people have mentioned emergency rooms, so here's another side of that particular coin for you: Over Thanksgiving, I stepped wrong on the sidewalk at my sister-in-law's house and fractured my ankle (avulsion fracture). I obviously didn't know it was fractured because the closest I have ever come to being a doctor was that one time I told a girl I was in a bar. I not only have insurance, but I have really good insurance because I work for a company that pretends to care by giving us good benefits. However, I refused to go to the ER to see how badly I had damaged myself, opting to go to my GP as soon as I could get in. Instead, I sat on the couch and iced my ankle for the rest of the evening and the next day until I could get in for X-rays, at which point my doctor told me about the fracture and sent me to a specialist. Know why? Because had I gone to the ER, I would have gotten a bill for around $800 (confirmed by the billing department at the hospital where I got the x-rays as an outpatient). The total cost (so far) for the route that I took? $45 (3 office visits) in co-pays and $14 for a brace (but I still have to go in for more x-rays and followups). My doctor tells me that I am damn lucky and that not going to the ER could have gone a very different direction for me. tl;dr: Fuck you, Santorum, even with insurance it's too fucking expensive to get needed healthcare |
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Post by nickiknack on Dec 7, 2011 13:51:34 GMT -5
I find this funny given the fact that doesn't one Rick's kids have some disease that most insurance companies won't want to touch with a 10 foot pole??
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Post by Vene on Dec 7, 2011 13:54:46 GMT -5
Also, they will probably never be able to get a decent health insurance plan after diagnosis. Even if they went with an employer subsidized plan, many of their healthcare claims would be denied based upon vague pre-existing conditions (happened to the guy who used to work for me, he had "butt-cancer" before he worked here...his words, not mine). This is something the health care reform bill is seeking to change. |
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Post by booley on Dec 7, 2011 15:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by Tenfold_Maquette on Dec 7, 2011 15:53:46 GMT -5
So if we go by what he claims, he' still wrong. Why would he let facts get in the way of spewing bullshit? |
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Post by SimSim on Dec 7, 2011 16:13:13 GMT -5
I find this funny given the fact that doesn't one Rick's kids have some disease that most insurance companies won't want to touch with a 10 foot pole?? Yup, and even better, he's using her a campaign tool. He's claiming that had she be born in a country with socialized healthcare that she wouldn't have been given the care needed to survive. Which of course is total bullshit. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 7, 2011 16:47:47 GMT -5
Sorry guys, but to someone who grew up with A. health insurance and B. state sponsored medical care this really sounds beyond ludicrous. That's because it is beyond ludicrous. |
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Post by The_L on Dec 7, 2011 19:12:48 GMT -5
"And they don't go to the emergency room or they don't go to the doctor when they need to. And it's not the fault of the government for not providing some sort of universal benefit." They can't do either of these because they don't have the money, Santorum. Impossible!! This is AMERICA! Everyone has a sold-gold toilet and a 100-inch HDTV and 20 bedrooms! |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Dec 7, 2011 19:39:40 GMT -5
And refrigerators. Don't forget those.
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