libertyprime
Junior Member
Hey, it was acceptable in the '80s.
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Post by libertyprime on May 14, 2009 7:35:51 GMT -5
I don't really mind religion. It was a necessary step to keep people sane and orderly in the past when there was no authority or science, and I quite like mythos. If only people would keep their fucking lids screwed down about it, on both sides. WBC and this guy have nothing productive to do or say, so they shouldn't say anything at all.
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Post by caretaker on May 14, 2009 9:15:32 GMT -5
Ummm, might I point out that not all anti-theists are like that? Technically, I am an anti-theist in the sense that I am pretty critical of religion and do share the sentiment that it does not really do any good (at least not any more so than a secular institution). Something that relies on dogma in order to proliferate is not something I deem to be any good for the society as a whole. Of course, I'm not rabid about it, but that's the difference. I'm not going "Religion is the root of all evil", but it sure has done enough to show it really isn't that great. So what you are complaining about is fundie anti-theists, not anti-theists in general. Are you kidding me with this?! That's it. I'm just gonna call them fundies and the next person to say it's the wrong term is getting a Glasgow kiss, okay? Good.
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Post by CtraK on May 14, 2009 9:35:58 GMT -5
FSTDT has always had standards. They're not just for outsiders. A little introspection, as a community, is probably healthy. Without it, we'd be a set of nodding dogs. The effort must always be to play the ball, not the man. Matthew 7:3, essentially. Also, Caretaker threatening a Glasgow Kiss makes me wonder when Belfast turned all soft and wimpish.
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Post by Lady Renae on May 14, 2009 9:36:29 GMT -5
Do I want to know what a "glasgow kiss" is? Do I dare wiki the term, or should I stay wisely away?
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Post by CtraK on May 14, 2009 9:47:18 GMT -5
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Post by Bluefinger on May 14, 2009 10:02:17 GMT -5
Are you kidding me with this?! That's it. I'm just gonna call them fundies and the next person to say it's the wrong term is getting a Glasgow kiss, okay? Good. Wait a moment. I was responding to what I thought was a hasty generalisation on your part on anti-theists, to which I was merely stating that not all anti-theists are rabid fundies, and describing at least how I qualified under the term anti-theist. Okay?
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Post by ausador on May 14, 2009 10:12:32 GMT -5
<<< Anti-theist also, but not to the point of trying to ban religion or force my views on anyone.
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Post by caretaker on May 14, 2009 13:06:31 GMT -5
Wait a moment. I was responding to what I thought was a hasty generalisation on your part on anti-theists, to which I was merely stating that not all anti-theists are rabid fundies, and describing at least how I qualified under the term anti-theist. Okay? And I was trying, and failing, to divert the discussion away from general disagreements over the term and its definition. As far as I can tell, everybody thinks the label of 'fundie' is applicable, but then meandered off into whether it's a fundie atheist, militant atheist... etc, etc. I realise I didn't stick "fundie" in front of anti-theist, so I apologise for that. However, I did post in the spirit of "look, stop focusing on what to call it, be it X or Y" and your reply was basically "don't call it Y", which both amused and frustrated me. ETA: CtraK, I would've said 'Belfast kiss' but I didn't want the non-NIrish to think I was stealing a Scottish term (in all likelihood somebody else stole it yonks ago).
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Post by Lady Renae on May 15, 2009 7:09:30 GMT -5
I just wanted to express my facepalm at the fact that Distind's intelligence has come into question on the mainpage discussion. I would express said facepalm IN the discussion, but I'm all of a sudden self-conscious. So yeah. For reference: www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=62268&Page=8#955623 Telling us fuckwads to 'get out of here' is a laugh, considering the site admin - that's Distind, in case you didn't know - is one of said fuckwads. Yes, I was hoping the admin would prove to be more intellectually sound than apparently he is. So much for enjoying FSTDT any more. 5/14/2009 10:16:32 PM *facepalm*
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Post by caretaker on May 15, 2009 12:10:17 GMT -5
Crazalus and I have rebutted.
Honestly, it sickens me a little that these anonymous idiots feel that they know FSTDT better than the admin. I can keep yelling "this is not your effing playground" but all valid points being made are ignored in favour of "you're all idiots and I hate you!"
...Funnily enough, it's a bit like arguing with fundies...
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 15, 2009 14:30:19 GMT -5
Crazalus and I have rebutted. Honestly, it sickens me a little that these anonymous idiots feel that they know FSTDT better than the admin. I can keep yelling "this is not your effing playground" but all valid points being made are ignored in favour of "you're all idiots and I hate you!" ...Funnily enough, it's a bit like arguing with fundies... The thing about fundie Christians is that they're generally PROUD to be fundie and such. "Fundie" anti-theists, however, tend to think that they're immune to the "fundie mindset" because they have no religion. And don't see that what they're doing is the exact same as the religious fundies. It's actually more frustrating to me.
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Post by antichrist on May 15, 2009 14:30:25 GMT -5
8 pages of fail. I'm sure the people over at RR are laughing their ass off about this.
If this was a straight Christian bashing site, I probably wouldn't be here.
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Post by caretaker on May 15, 2009 18:24:07 GMT -5
Now some guy is claiming that a quoted conservative calling for the murder of millions of Muslims (exact words used) is "not fundie" and telling me to blow a goat for pointing out that he's an idiot. What the hell is wrong with these people? I'm getting dangerously close to carving "IT'S FUNDIE, GET OVER IT" into people's foreheads with a rusty compass.
Also, um, I'm kind of... tearing the guy a new asshole, now, but I swear I'm still a nice and... timid kind of poster. I just haven't had a cigarette in three weeks and my tolerance for this level of stupidity has... utterly disappeared.
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Post by antichrist on May 15, 2009 18:44:28 GMT -5
Hey congrats on the three week mark, yeah that ones a hurdle. Hang on though you're almost clear.
As for the conservative. Yeah, a bunch of people seem to think that this is Christians say the Darndest things. I see quotes in Admin that are just basic Christian remarks. I've even seen a few moderate Christians in there. But anything that hits the main page that isn't Christian or Muslim is going to get a "this isn't fundie" beating.
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Post by The Watcher on May 15, 2009 20:06:46 GMT -5
Ummm, might I point out that not all anti-theists are like that? Technically, I am an anti-theist in the sense that I am pretty critical of religion and do share the sentiment that it does not really do any good (at least not any more so than a secular institution). Something that relies on dogma in order to proliferate is not something I deem to be any good for the society as a whole. This sounds more like anti-organized religion than anti-theism to me. I'd be very uncomfortable referring to myself as an "anti-theist," in that I don't have any specific problem with the fact that people believe in a higher power. Many religions have done many bad things, but it's not simply the belief in a God that causes them. More the thirst for power, i.e., your religion has to have more power than the other guy's religion. But disorganized religion, such as simply a belief that there is some kind of undefined god-thing out there (deism) isn't really known for starting wars or waging inquisitions. Although it would be kind of amusing to watch a guy crank a rack shouting "SAY THERE'S SOME VAGUE HIGHER POWER OF SOME SORT THAT'S PROBABLY OUT THERE! SAY IT!!!" Funny in my own twisted little mind, at least. If your beef is with organized religion, you'd be on stronger footing, but I'm not ready to follow you there either. Being a New Yorker, I don't see too many pastors who spend their Sunday mornings bashing gays, abortion, Muslims, and Mexicans. The church services I've been to recently (and there have been a lot, actually), were mostly discussion about loving your children, learning to be happy, respecting your elders, and other such things that really aren't all that controversial (although maybe a bit corny). You're right, of course. Church groups that do good deeds aren't necessary, and secular people can do them too. I actually spent most of my high school and college days volunteering at soup kitchens, retirement homes, picking up trash, and tutoring kids. But the churches do these things too, so you can't really say that they're not doing any good.
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