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Post by antichrist on May 18, 2009 21:41:03 GMT -5
Oh! Oh! Pick me! I saw this metaphor on youtube. It's short and awesome. Someone said something about people that WERE Christians but left and became atheists and the reply was this: "They weren't real Christians. Once you've truly accepted Jesus that's it. Once you go black you can't go back. Same principle." So the one and only black guy wasn't truly black? I mean I went back to white after that.
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Post by Sigmaleph on May 18, 2009 22:21:26 GMT -5
Oh! Oh! Pick me! I saw this metaphor on youtube. It's short and awesome. Someone said something about people that WERE Christians but left and became atheists and the reply was this: "They weren't real Christians. Once you've truly accepted Jesus that's it. Once you go black you can't go back. Same principle." So the one and only black guy wasn't truly black? I mean I went back to white after that. Then you were never a true Christian. Your corrupt nature does not allow you to see the divine hand in the world, and that's why you went back after going black. Or something.
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Post by The_L on May 20, 2009 16:28:23 GMT -5
One I have encountered frequently is the experience firsthand metaphor, for example. Never mind that they completely ignore the fact that you don't have to try their coffee to realize you don't like coffee. Any old coffee will do. If you don't want to be religious, choosing Religion A over Religion B isn't the choice you would logically make.
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Post by shiftyeyes on May 20, 2009 16:49:51 GMT -5
The metaphor I once heard involved a civil case. You hit someone's car. You don't have much money so paying for the damage would be difficult. The guy doesn't want to make you suffer, but the car needs to be fixed. Eventually, he magnanimously agrees to cover the damage himself. Problems: The judge and the victim are the same person here, which clearly represents a conflict of interest. The victim has billions of dollars so covering the damage is really no big deal. The damage is paid for whether you believe it or not. Also, he parked his car in the middle of a highway, what did he expect?
Also, with the rape metaphor, what kind of legal system allows anyone to serve the sentence for the criminal? Seriously?
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Post by Tiger on May 20, 2009 19:23:34 GMT -5
The metaphor I once heard involved a civil case. You hit someone's car. You don't have much money so paying for the damage would be difficult. The guy doesn't want to make you suffer, but the car needs to be fixed. Eventually, he magnanimously agrees to cover the damage himself. Problems: The judge and the victim are the same person here, which clearly represents a conflict of interest. The victim has billions of dollars so covering the damage is really no big deal. The damage is paid for whether you believe it or not. Also, he parked his car in the middle of a highway, what did he expect? You forgot the most obvious; how on Earth does killing his son pay God back for what we may or may not owe him? Especially since we killed him out of hatred and bigotry, not a desire to pay God back for anything. The entire "Jesus died for our sins" thing doesn't make a lick of sense. Unless you presume that there's some sort of metaphysical karma system requiring all debts be repaid in blood governing the universe that even God is powerless against, but that kinda kills the omnipotence thing. And isn't part of Christian mythology. And makes even less sense.
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Post by Sigmaleph on May 20, 2009 19:53:19 GMT -5
Makes even less sense and goes against omnipotence, sure. But I've heard plenty of fundies saying that's how it works.
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