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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 30, 2009 20:34:13 GMT -5
I'm surprised that fundies don't rabidly support abortion rights on the grounds that it might prevent future homosexuals. (I support abortion rights because it might prevent future fundies! ) If we found a so-called "gay gene", the fundies would turn pro-eugenics so fast it would make your head spin....
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Post by Rat Of Steel on May 30, 2009 20:46:02 GMT -5
Speaking of bleeding-edge medical research, I'm surprised that fundies aren't embracing cloning instead of condemning it.
Think about it. Not only does it occur in nature with identical siblings (therefore it's at least passively sanctioned by God), but with cloning, there's no need for sexual reproduction; therefore, they could actually look forward to a future where everyone is chaste forever!
*shudders unpleasantly at the thought of a THX-1138 scenario made real*
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 30, 2009 21:10:12 GMT -5
Speaking of bleeding-edge medical research, I'm surprised that fundies aren't embracing cloning instead of condemning it. Think about it. Not only does it occur in nature with identical siblings (therefore it's at least passively sanctioned by God), but with cloning, there's no need for sexual reproduction; therefore, they could actually look forward to a future where everyone is chaste forever! *shudders unpleasantly at the thought of a THX-1138 scenario made real*In vitro fertilization already makes this possible
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Post by Jodie on May 30, 2009 21:11:03 GMT -5
I wish there was a joke involving gay jeans that could be used to piss off fundies wearing denim.
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Post by Tiger on May 30, 2009 23:04:48 GMT -5
Granted. But, because that's what was in effect when the religion was developed, then it still has effect. So, the core reason is the same, in my mind. Though, I do grant, almost no one living in the hierarchy would use my reasons... Hum, I guess I was going with the foundational reasons. The current reasons are more tradition and the unacknowledged instinct that they have to keep people pliant. I see what you mean. I suppose it's a valid theory if you're talking about the religion from thousands of years ago rather than from today. I disagree that this is extinct. Sexual release is a very powerful thing in our lives. I know I become super-hag when I'm not getting any (which probably reduces my chances of getting any, but that's another story). Have you seen these people at revivalist movements? They're pretty much orgasming to Jesus. You can't get people who are sexually content that excited about things. I only contested the idea that the modern church leadership is intentionally using faith as a control mechanism, not that sexual control is still occurring. Second, unless you want to get Freudian, I don't see how you can compare extreme passion about something non-sexual to sex. I've read a fair amount on the causes of religiosity, and haven't seen anything about it being an alternative form of sexual release.
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Post by antichrist on May 30, 2009 23:21:20 GMT -5
Well I'm going to disagree with you on that one, Tiger
I've seen women basically orgasm in church. Sex is a primal release for humans (hell for all mammals), we need a way to release emotions (for lack of a better word). Some do it by exercise, some by sex, some by going on a shooting rampage, and some with religion.
I'm really not able to communicate my thouths clearly right now, so I'll try later, or if someone else understands what I'm trying to say, maybe they can.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 30, 2009 23:28:05 GMT -5
I understand what you're trying to say, I just think it doesn't make sense.
I get really, really, really excited when I hear about a new FFVII title. Am I substituting it for sex? Umm...no?
Then there are the rabid, energetic Fundies that still reveal that they're sexually frustrated.
Getting excited about something has nothing to do with sexual release. Neither does shooting people, and neither is exercise.
And, while I can see how there's some degree of sexualizing done to Christianity, (I don't want to fucking hear it, Fundies, your women say they want to literally marry Jesus!) I don't feel that the main reason people get excited about it is that they're replacing it with sex. They're just happy that they "know" they're "saved."
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Post by ausador on May 30, 2009 23:29:23 GMT -5
Tiger havn't you seen all the posts on the mainpage were fundies basically could not wait to have sex with jesus?
All the "Bride" crap and "working on a bridal chamber for 2000 year" stuff...a lot of these people honestly talk like they believe Jesus is going to fuck them. Even if they don't say it outright there is no way to read those posts and then deny that there is a sexually component to their worship.
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Post by ausador on May 30, 2009 23:35:51 GMT -5
Getting excited about something has nothing to do with sexual release. Neither does shooting people, and neither is exercise. I think you might want to do a little research on that statement lithp or talk to someone in the mental health profession to get their views, because you are wrong. Sexual release is not unheard of in serial murders while they are doing thier thing and exercise releases endorphines that excite the brains pleasure centers. Just because there is no physical sex act does not mean that it is not sexual.
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Post by ladyloki on May 30, 2009 23:38:14 GMT -5
I wish there was a joke involving gay jeans that could be used to piss off fundies wearing denim. I'm sure there are, but they're all probably very corny.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 31, 2009 1:08:29 GMT -5
Getting excited about something has nothing to do with sexual release. Neither does shooting people, and neither is exercise. I think you might want to do a little research on that statement lithp or talk to someone in the mental health profession to get their views, because you are wrong. Sexual release is not unheard of in serial murders while they are doing thier thing and exercise releases endorphines that excite the brains pleasure centers. Just because there is no physical sex act does not mean that it is not sexual. I'm well aware that there is considered to be a sexual component to a lot of serial killings. However, I don't believe the endorphines thing proves anything. It is my understanding that endorphines are released WHENEVER someone experiences a sensation of pleasure, & I am sorry, but I just do not have sexual feelings when petting my cat.
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Post by wmdkitty on May 31, 2009 1:11:58 GMT -5
I think you might want to do a little research on that statement lithp or talk to someone in the mental health profession to get their views, because you are wrong. Sexual release is not unheard of in serial murders while they are doing thier thing and exercise releases endorphines that excite the brains pleasure centers. Just because there is no physical sex act does not mean that it is not sexual. I'm well aware that there is considered to be a sexual component to a lot of serial killings. However, I don't believe the endorphines thing proves anything. It is my understanding that endorphines are released WHENEVER someone experiences a sensation of pleasure, & I am sorry, but I just do not have sexual feelings when petting my cat. That usually induces a sleepy, content state, amirite?
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Post by ostravan on May 31, 2009 2:32:47 GMT -5
FYI, Abortion is not even mentioned in the bible - that includes the Quran, the Torah* or any other religious book. *also includes the Talmud, which is the book upon which the interpretation of the Torah texts are studied. (Talmud means "study" in Hebrew) Furthermore, homosexuality is mentioned only by interpretation. For those of you who are hooked on the KJV of the Goat Sodomisers Guide to Brainwashing the Gullible bible, King James I of England (aka King James VI of Scotland) was a raving homosexual.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 31, 2009 3:06:42 GMT -5
I'm well aware that there is considered to be a sexual component to a lot of serial killings. However, I don't believe the endorphines thing proves anything. It is my understanding that endorphines are released WHENEVER someone experiences a sensation of pleasure, & I am sorry, but I just do not have sexual feelings when petting my cat. That usually induces a sleepy, content state, amirite? More like a, "Why won't this noisy sack of fur sit down so I can watch my movie" sort of state, actually. Also, an, "Aww, he's so old, but so cute" sort of state.
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Post by Tiger on May 31, 2009 4:09:41 GMT -5
FYI, Abortion is not even mentioned in the bible - that includes the Quran, the Torah* or any other religious book.) I wouldn't say any religious book. There are quite a lot of them, all claiming to be the only one that's correct. See also the Bible's guide to abortion. Tiger havn't you seen all the posts on the mainpage were fundies basically could not wait to have sex with jesus? All the "Bride" crap and "working on a bridal chamber for 2000 year" stuff...a lot of these people honestly talk like they believe Jesus is going to fuck them. Even if they don't say it outright there is no way to read those posts and then deny that there is a sexually component to their worship. Now that you mention those, I can see where you're coming from. I still wouldn't say that it's entirely mainstream among women, and I doubt many of the male fundies experience quite the same feelings.
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