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Post by John E on Aug 4, 2009 14:38:06 GMT -5
Also I don't know if you've heard of a show called Moonlight. I'm pretty sure it was cancelled after it's first season but it had a vampire PI. Sunlight didn't kill him but he didn't like it. Prolonged exposure to direct sunlight killed the vampires in that show, but they could go out in the day without any obvious signs of harm (such as bursting into flame). There was one episode where the main character was abandoned in the desert or something and being in bright sunlight for a few hours nearly killed him, but most of the time he could walk around in the day. He just wore sunglasses and tended to stick to the shade. Also, like LoneLocust said, much of our vampire mythology comes from Dracula, and Dracula wasn't harmed by sunlight. It just weakened his powers, so the bursting into flame in the sunlight thing is actually a departure from the prototype.
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Post by John E on Aug 4, 2009 14:46:25 GMT -5
I just remembered something else about the vampires in Moonlight. Staking didn't kill them. It only paralyzed them. To kill them you had to cut off their head or burn them.
This is also pretty close to the Dracula mythos. In Dracula, A) a stake didn't have to be made of wood, it just had to pierce the heart, and B) staking wasn't enough to make sure a vampire stayed dead. You had to cut out the heart entirely, cut off the head, stuff the mouth with garlic, and separate the head and heart from the rest of the body.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Aug 4, 2009 15:00:43 GMT -5
You could have different vampire "races", based on the mortal culture they spring from and the method of their creation. This would allow you to deviate from the standard "bite and bleed", and introduce vampiric creatures that deviate widely from the standard. For example, in China there's a vampire-like creature that exists as a floating head with internal organs hanging down from the neck; it sucks out its victims' life force rather than anything physical. That right there is a pretty fucking awesome idea; I had some vague idea that there were vampiric (that IS a real word, right, because Firefox is fussing) creatures in other cultures, but I've never heard of that one. Looks like I have some research to do. *glee* As far as the monarchy we're currently using, all "pure bloods" that wish to stay on the Queen's good side obey the rules- they brand themselves clearly so that hunters can tell what House they belong to, they tend to stick to their own estates and not live, you know, in the middle of a city, the turned-bloods are more strictly controlled than those raised as vampires, etc. Another concern that I just thought about is that these vampires aren't undead; their first ancestors were once human, but after a run-in with the sadistic God of Death, the Goddess of Living and God of Dying resurrected them with their limited powers, and gave them new life. I fear that their not being "truly dead" is yet another reason for purists to hate my metaverse or whatever it's called. I'm seriously considering everything all of you have written, so I think I can make my creatures non-Sue, it's just a problem of how long that journey will be, and how far I'll need to deviate from the original ideas.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 4, 2009 15:24:12 GMT -5
Vampiric is a word, yes.
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Post by anti-nonsense on Aug 4, 2009 15:32:11 GMT -5
Firefox fusses about a lot of words. It doesn't have all that complete of a dictionary it seems like.
And I don't think there is anything wrong with doing your vampires differently then most people do them, my problem with the sparklepires of Twilight is that the sparkling is just silly, seems like something a squealing teenager would come up with, not a supposedly mature woman.
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Post by lunarxero on Aug 4, 2009 17:50:17 GMT -5
I just remembered something else about the vampires in Moonlight. Staking didn't kill them. It only paralyzed them. To kill them you had to cut off their head or burn them. This is also pretty close to the Dracula mythos. In Dracula, A) a stake didn't have to be made of wood, it just had to pierce the heart, and B) staking wasn't enough to make sure a vampire stayed dead. You had to cut out the heart entirely, cut off the head, stuff the mouth with garlic, and separate the head and heart from the rest of the body. Oh yeah I remember that. That was pretty good. Firefox fusses about a lot of words. It doesn't have all that complete of a dictionary it seems like. And I don't think there is anything wrong with doing your vampires differently then most people do them, my problem with the sparklepires of Twilight is that the sparkling is just silly, seems like something a squealing teenager would come up with, not a supposedly mature woman. That's the problem I had with the sparkling vampires as well. To me it's kind of degrading to vampires. I love uniqueness in vampires, but that was too far.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 4, 2009 18:36:28 GMT -5
According to my friend, the books made it wound more like some kind of badass aura thing. I usually just say that if it's true, it's an example of a communication breakdown, as Meyers went to great lengths to get the movie made as she envisioned it.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Aug 4, 2009 21:26:05 GMT -5
According to my friend, the books made it wound more like some kind of badass aura thing. I usually just say that if it's true, it's an example of a communication breakdown, as Meyers went to great lengths to get the movie made as she envisioned it. NO, the books did NOT imply "aural", at least not every which way I and many other anti-Twitards have read it (just look up "twilight sucks" and you'll see I'm justified in making such a broad claim). "Sparkled like thousands of tiny diamonds" does NOT imply "I'm such a badass vampie nom nom"...at least, it doesn't to me. It more implies "yo bitch check it all the 5-year-olds are attracted to my shinies"
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Post by lunarxero on Aug 4, 2009 21:35:40 GMT -5
According to my friend, the books made it wound more like some kind of badass aura thing. I usually just say that if it's true, it's an example of a communication breakdown, as Meyers went to great lengths to get the movie made as she envisioned it. NO, the books did NOT imply "aural", at least not every which way I and many other anti-Twitards have read it (just look up "twilight sucks" and you'll see I'm justified in making such a broad claim). "Sparkled like thousands of tiny diamonds" does NOT imply "I'm such a badass vampie nom nom"...at least, it doesn't to me. It more implies "yo bitch check it all the 5-year-olds are attracted to my shinies" Haha that made me laugh. It's also so true.
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Post by schizophonic on Aug 4, 2009 23:23:41 GMT -5
Firefox fusses about a lot of words. It doesn't have all that complete of a dictionary it seems like. And I don't think there is anything wrong with doing your vampires differently then most people do them, my problem with the sparklepires of Twilight is that the sparkling is just silly, seems like something a squealing teenager would come up with, not a supposedly mature woman. In fact, there's a ton of Vampire types, and most of them don't get a lot of shit. Stephanie Meyers is a bad storyteller, and that's the crux of it. The bit where it's a thinly veiled metaphor related to her beliefs is another. The bottom line? If you're a decent storyteller, you won't get flak unless your concept is terrible. If you're good, you might even be able to spin a bad idea. Even clichés aren't bad in and of themselves. Different certainly isn't bad. Deadpan, your idea sounds interesting, and not "different for the sake of different."
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Post by kristine on Aug 4, 2009 23:40:02 GMT -5
some normal people are bored and lonely and if you read about some of the lives of the comedians they really have nothing to laugh at - it's just their sense of the absurd is very well developed. I would think with all the playing with language over time a very old person would have a very dry subtle wit that may pass over the heads of his younger human social crowd that he/she is trying to blend in with. Very old human's can have a great sense of humor (look at George Burns) why should a vampire be emotionless an morose? I was just explaining most peoples reasoning behind it. I personally think that it is overused and would love to see a funny or witty vampire. Or a pathetic, hopeless vampire that can't sweep anyone off their feet. pathetic and hopeless?? - A Polish Vampire in Burbank - Vampires, fundies, valley girls, really bad puns and sexual innuendos...Best micro- low budget spoof EVAAAA (ever) ;D www.imdb.com/title/tt0089823/Trivia: The budget for the entire movie was around $2,500.
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Post by lunarxero on Aug 4, 2009 23:45:19 GMT -5
Oh wow. Awesome!
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Aug 5, 2009 9:14:24 GMT -5
I was just explaining most peoples reasoning behind it. I personally think that it is overused and would love to see a funny or witty vampire. Or a pathetic, hopeless vampire that can't sweep anyone off their feet. pathetic and hopeless?? - A Polish Vampire in Burbank - Vampires, fundies, valley girls, really bad puns and sexual innuendos...Best micro- low budget spoof EVAAAA (ever) ;D www.imdb.com/title/tt0089823/Trivia: The budget for the entire movie was around $2,500. Okay, I'm crying in laughter...Judo for Jesus girl? Queerwolves? JfJ girl beating up the Queerwolf? I have GOT to find this movie, somehow. Amaranth: That's very reassuring, it really is...I've been having serious doubts with the whole backdrop of the story, let alone the story itself, but maybe it will actually work out well...
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Aug 5, 2009 9:24:56 GMT -5
Okay...some of these different vampires are cool, some weird, and some...uh.
"Croatia was the site of one of the first vampire epidemics of the modern age. In 1672 Giure Grando, late of Khring on the Istrian peninsula, Croatia, returned from the grave and caused many deaths. He was not so much a breed but more of a one-off vampire
When an infant was not breast-fed enough and died, it was supposed to turn into a Kuzlak. It would return from the dead and attack its mother
An older child killed by its mother’s neglect would turn into a Pijawika, which could only be killed by cutting off its head and sticking it between its legs"
So fundies' kids will return from the dead to kill them? I'm waiting.
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Post by kristine on Aug 5, 2009 23:59:12 GMT -5
An older child killed by its mother’s neglect would turn into a Pijawika, which could only be killed by cutting off its head and sticking it between its legs" that's vaguely ... sexual and disturbing. Why would putting it's head between it's legs kill it, where just beheading it wont? OH, OH! Fun Fact you may want to incorporate - if you are looking for something kinda twisted to throw in you could use this....What if, in a world where Vampires didn't like silver, people started to get this condition on purpose. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyriathere are people in the US today who have had this problem due to the use of colloidal silver. If this leaves a small deposit of silver in the skin touching these people would be dangerous to any supernatural beasty that has a silver allergy.
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