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Post by shriekback on Mar 26, 2009 19:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 26, 2009 19:55:59 GMT -5
Companies making shitty products are unpatriotic.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Mar 26, 2009 20:10:58 GMT -5
Actually, what we think of as "American cars" tend to be foreign made, and vice-versa. Companies like Ford and GM have factories in Mexico, while Toyota has a factory in Tennessee. Basically, if "American car" means, "car is assembled in America by Americans", then there really is no way of knowing whether a car of almost any major company is truly "American".
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 26, 2009 20:13:14 GMT -5
Actually, they would need to define "American". If they mean North American, more cars are made by Honda in North America than any one of the Big-3. Most of their production is either in Mexico (I know, but really, it's Central America) or offshore. The Big-3 are unpatriotic for shifting our jobs offshore. When the Big-3 start making most of the vehicles they sell in North America IN North America, I might reconsider my Honda. The Big-3 car would also have to get 45+ MPG highway and 30+ MPG city along with that. I don't give a shit what the car looks like, as long as it starts when I turn the key, won't kill me in a minor accident, is reasonably fuel efficient and well made, it's fine. The Big-3 need to quit selling status and start selling reliablity, fuel efficiency and move the production back where the actual market is, or they will continue to falter.
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Post by Vene on Mar 26, 2009 20:22:24 GMT -5
Hi, I live in Michigan, we're dependent on the auto industry*. This is a very common attitude here.
*If you want to know how that's working, we have 11% unemployment.
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Post by mistermuncher on Mar 26, 2009 21:15:51 GMT -5
I suppose there's an easy way to settle any debate about the relative merits of each type of car.
How are "foreign" cars selling in the US? How are US cars selling in the rest of the World?
Now, it's either a global antiAmerican conspiracy, or American cars, by and large, are complete fuckin' pony. I wonder which option these folks would favour.
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Post by BenderBRodriguez on Mar 26, 2009 21:24:45 GMT -5
Fuck the guys at Topix.
Anyone who resorts to using the term "libtard" is not worthy of my time.
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Post by skyfire on Mar 26, 2009 21:55:57 GMT -5
Actually, what we think of as "American cars" tend to be foreign made, and vice-versa. Companies like Ford and GM have factories in Mexico, while Toyota has a factory in Tennessee. Basically, if "American car" means, "car is assembled in America by Americans", then there really is no way of knowing whether a car of almost any major company is truly "American". Check the sheet in the window, the one that lists pertinent data and included features. Auto manufacturers wishing to do business in the US are required to state where the engine was assembled, where the transmission was assembled, what percentage of parts are American, and where the point of final assembly for the vehicle itself was.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Mar 26, 2009 22:32:32 GMT -5
Actually, what we think of as "American cars" tend to be foreign made, and vice-versa. Companies like Ford and GM have factories in Mexico, while Toyota has a factory in Tennessee. Basically, if "American car" means, "car is assembled in America by Americans", then there really is no way of knowing whether a car of almost any major company is truly "American". Check the sheet in the window, the one that lists pertinent data and included features. Auto manufacturers wishing to do business in the US are required to state where the engine was assembled, where the transmission was assembled, what percentage of parts are American, and where the point of final assembly for the vehicle itself was. Ah, I didn't know that. I haven't had a car for 2 years now. Thanks.
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Post by dasfuchs on Mar 26, 2009 23:05:43 GMT -5
Hi, I live in Michigan, we're dependent on the auto industry*. This is a very common attitude here. *If you want to know how that's working, we have 11% unemployment. Yes, the whole "Big 3 are the only American cars" bullshit I mostly get mine used, just junkers or beaters. Newer cars are just too over technical to the point you really can't service anything (having to remove a wheel and liner to replace a battery, wtf?) and so damned sensative the slightest tampering with anything can fuck it all up. Anything I've seen after '95 or so has been over complicated sensational crap Oddly enough, the best fuel mileage i've ever gotten was a shitty little beater '92 Ford Escort wagon with a manual trans. I drove 30 miles round trip every day for work, with a ten gallon tank, I'd only fill up once a week back in '01-'02. It had 300k+ miles on the original engine when it finally died. I'm done with cars and trucks for the most part for quite a while. when i start getting a steady paycheck again I'm gonna invest in a moped. I've seen add on kits to make them a bit more weather resistant in rain
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Post by skyfire on Mar 27, 2009 7:23:04 GMT -5
Check the sheet in the window, the one that lists pertinent data and included features. Auto manufacturers wishing to do business in the US are required to state where the engine was assembled, where the transmission was assembled, what percentage of parts are American, and where the point of final assembly for the vehicle itself was. Ah, I didn't know that. I haven't had a car for 2 years now. Thanks. IIRC, it's only been in the past few years that auto makers have been required to keep those sheets in the window of their new vehicles.
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Post by Paradox on Mar 27, 2009 10:03:51 GMT -5
Free market bitch.
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Post by malicious_bloke on Mar 27, 2009 10:22:54 GMT -5
I had a ford fiesta once. As first-cars-after-passing-your-test go it was great.
In truth it had a vauxhall vectra engine and a few other bits from other cars, but it lasted me 5 years, second hand (although her ladyship always refused to drive it).
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 27, 2009 11:04:00 GMT -5
I used to work at Wal-Mart. I used to deal with asshats who wanted to buy American all the time, on the grounds they thought it was bad to support ferrners. How often I heard this convo or some permutation.
"What's the difference between these two models (Usually Sony or Sanyo vs. Orion or Philips)?"
"They're both pretty much the same (Depending on the size, there might be a ten dollar difference), same features, and the companies are all known for about the same level of quality (Though in the price range most of these guys and gals were looking at, it didn't matter. It was mostly cheap crap)."
"Well, I think I'll go with the (Orion or Philips). I don't want none of that foreign crap."
Anyone notice the issue here?
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Post by malicious_bloke on Mar 27, 2009 12:40:07 GMT -5
I used to work at Wal-Mart. I used to deal with asshats who wanted to buy American all the time, on the grounds they thought it was bad to support ferrners. How often I heard this convo or some permutation. "What's the difference between these two models (Usually Sony or Sanyo vs. Orion or Philips)?" "They're both pretty much the same (Depending on the size, there might be a ten dollar difference), same features, and the companies are all known for about the same level of quality (Though in the price range most of these guys and gals were looking at, it didn't matter. It was mostly cheap crap)." "Well, I think I'll go with the (Orion or Philips). I don't want none of that foreign crap." Anyone notice the issue here? Man don't even get me started. I thought about trying to buy an english car when my last one died. Every single english car firm is either owned by one of the american, german or indian congolomerates...it's ridiculous
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