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Post by Dragon Zachski on Apr 10, 2011 16:19:58 GMT -5
I was taken by the last one. You know the nerd one. That image is generally used to denote that someone is a loser. It is a party that, according to a quick google search, advocates for abolishing patents on software and preventing the prosecution or investigation of people for non-commercial uses of copyrighted material (which, seeing as their name translates to "Pirate Party", probably means "downloading the shit out of copyrighted materials for personal use"). So yeah. Losers. Going by their website, even their somewhat good ideas are unrealistic (abolishing patents on medicines would bring down their cost, which is good, but it would give drug companies far less incentive to put the years and millions needed to create new drugs, which isn't). Also, that Communistic chick is really cute. I wish to do things with her. Things that the man pictured below her would disapprove of. Copyright laws are supposed to protect the ownership of the media, not dictate the use of said media. Guess which one they're doing now? |
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Post by Kit Walker on Apr 10, 2011 17:32:12 GMT -5
Copyright laws are supposed to protect the ownership of the media, not dictate the use of said media. Guess which one they're doing now? So we should abolish any and all ability of companies to combat piracy? Live in a magical happyland where video games, movies, TV shows, music, software, and everything else that be converted to a digital file is produced and distributed for absolutely free? No. Fuck pirates. They're breaking the law, they're stealing, its wrong, and I have no sympathy when they get busted for it. Not that groups like the RIAA haven't been frequently overzealous in their pursuit of such matters, but store security roughing up a shoplifter doesn't make the guy less of thief. I have a buddy who rarely pays for anything. His justification for illegally downloading Wii games is "I wanted to see if I could" and for TV shows is "DVD sets are too expensive". Translation "wah wah wah wah wah wah". Show me ONE good argument for digital piracy that doesn't amount to whining. Additionally, never before in history have people been able to take a copyrighted material and mass reproduce it for no cost to themselves to subsequently distribute it for free, largely anonymously. It is brand spanking new, and perhaps old definitions of copyright need to be re-evaluated to deal with them. Without abolishing the concept completely, as the Pirate Party essentially advocates. Vene: I'm skeptical of that solution for two reasons - one, couldn't it then be applied to anything that requires years of R&D? Two, wouldn't it also transform the funding for pharmaceutical R&D in a political football to be punted about for the agenda needs of both political parties (in the U.S. at least)? How would that be any better than what we have now? |
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Post by priestling on Apr 10, 2011 17:46:49 GMT -5
Show me ONE good argument for digital piracy that doesn't amount to whining. Companies refusing to distribute outside of the country of production (i.e., exclusive game versions in Japan such as Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix that are never released anywhere EXCEPT Japan, and they refuse to allow imports), or products that are no longer sold and are harder than shit to get ahold of. Find me a copy of either Lunar game or the original Klonoa (not the wii remake) for the Playstation through any official store or reseller that won't take at least two months. Believe me, I've TRIED, by hitting Gamestop, my local retailers and resellers, Sam Goody. Or music albums from the 30's or 40's... Care to try again? |
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Post by Kit Walker on Apr 10, 2011 17:52:31 GMT -5
Companies refusing to distribute outside of the country of production (i.e., exclusive game versions in Japan such as Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix that are never released anywhere EXCEPT Japan, and they refuse to allow imports), or products that are no longer sold and are harder than shit to get ahold of. Find me a copy of either Lunar game or the original Klonoa (not the wii remake) for the Playstation through any official store or reseller that won't take at least two months. Believe me, I've TRIED, by hitting Gamestop, my local retailers and resellers, Sam Goody. Or music albums from the 30's or 40's... Care to try again? So it is up to the consumer, not the company that produced a given work, to decide where it can or can not be sold? Because you want the game, they have an obligation to sell it to you or else you are welcome to steal a copy? Is that what you're saying? Because I don't find that argument to be very compelling. The legal owner of media has a right to determine how it is sold. They don't want to sell it you. That does not make taking it anyways anymore OK. To put it this way: DC Comics had a short lived series called "The Power Company". I think it was one of the best comics I've ever read. They don't currently collect it in graphic novel format though, so it is very hard to advocate that people read it. This series is around a decade old and pretty well forgotten. Would that make it OK for me to scan my copies of the comic and put it out online for free? |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Apr 10, 2011 19:17:44 GMT -5
So the producer doesn't want their product to be enjoyed by anyone else, then?
And yeah, it would be, Norris. Thanks for giving a good argument.
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Post by Vene on Apr 10, 2011 19:28:14 GMT -5
Show me ONE good argument for digital piracy that doesn't amount to whining. Companies refusing to distribute outside of the country of production (i.e., exclusive game versions in Japan such as Kingdom Hearts 2: Final Mix that are never released anywhere EXCEPT Japan, and they refuse to allow imports), or products that are no longer sold and are harder than shit to get ahold of. Find me a copy of either Lunar game or the original Klonoa (not the wii remake) for the Playstation through any official store or reseller that won't take at least two months. Believe me, I've TRIED, by hitting Gamestop, my local retailers and resellers, Sam Goody. Or music albums from the 30's or 40's... Care to try again? Some of the stuff from the 30s might be public domain now anyway, so there is absolutely no legal issue with downloading them. At least, I think it's 75 years from when the thingy was created. Unless it's based on artist's death, that would be different. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Apr 10, 2011 19:46:23 GMT -5
So the producer doesn't want their product to be enjoyed by anyone else, then? And yeah, it would be, Norris. Thanks for giving a good argument. God I hate what the internet has done to our society sometimes. DC Comics owns those issues. I own copies of them. They control the copyright to them, the trademark on the name, etc. It is their prerogative to do with the property what they wish. I have a copy for my personal use, not to reproduce as I see fit. When has that EVER been legal? Did y'all not notice the warning at the start of every VHS tape ever? |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Apr 10, 2011 19:46:45 GMT -5
If it was public domain then the creators of Fallout 3 and New Vegas would have had a wider selection to choose from instead of trying to get the copyrights.
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Post by Alyra on Apr 10, 2011 21:20:47 GMT -5
So the producer doesn't want their product to be enjoyed by anyone else, then? And yeah, it would be, Norris. Thanks for giving a good argument. God I hate what the internet has done to our society sometimes. DC Comics owns those issues. I own copies of them. They control the copyright to them, the trademark on the name, etc. It is their prerogative to do with the property what they wish. I have a copy for my personal use, not to reproduce as I see fit. When has that EVER been legal? Did y'all not notice the warning at the start of every VHS tape ever? I agree. Doesn't matter if it's hard to find the game, album, whatever. It's also hard for most people to get things like diamond jewelry, or an original Picasso or Michelangelo. That doesn't make it right to steal diamonds or art. Digital doesn't mean free. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Apr 10, 2011 21:32:10 GMT -5
So... you don't want people to enjoy something like that? You can see picassos on the internet. You can see Michelangelos on the internet. Why can't you see some comic books or enjoy some music?
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Post by MaybeNever on Apr 10, 2011 21:37:39 GMT -5
You wouldn't steal a look at a car!
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Post by Vene on Apr 10, 2011 21:40:15 GMT -5
You wouldn't steal a look at a car! That's why I bought a driving blindfold. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on Apr 10, 2011 21:44:25 GMT -5
Honestly, my mind is if you can't buy it but you still want to enjoy it... might as well try to find it somewhere easily. If you're really that freaked out, you can mail some money to the company.
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Post by Alyra on Apr 10, 2011 21:58:41 GMT -5
If you want to listen to music without paying for it there's Youtube. And yeah, you can look at Picassos online. I'm not saying it's wrong to look for free stuff, I'm saying if it's available to buy you shouldn't steal it, and if you can't find it anywhere, to use it legally or to buy it, tough luck. We can't always get what we want.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Apr 10, 2011 22:26:23 GMT -5
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