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Post by Oriet on May 9, 2011 19:47:45 GMT -5
Aren't San Fran and Minneapolis pretty tolerant places with vibrant LBGTIQ communities, thereby encouraging those in that community to migrate there? How about Atlanta, which has an LGB population of 12.8%? Or how about Norway, where 12% have had homosexual sex? Or how about Australia, where 20% report having same-sex attraction? |
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Post by Runa on May 9, 2011 23:03:14 GMT -5
Aren't San Fran and Minneapolis pretty tolerant places with vibrant LBGTIQ communities, thereby encouraging those in that community to migrate there? How about Atlanta, which has an LGB population of 12.8%? Or how about Norway, where 12% have had homosexual sex? Or how about Australia, where 20% report having same-sex attraction? Hey, mine was a serious question as a way to try and understand the statistics! |
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Post by sylvana on May 10, 2011 1:01:18 GMT -5
The fuck does this have to do with poly? This is applicable to all family structures. Which is why I bring it up. I can point to examples of polygamous families and how they have an incredibly large number of children. Fair enough most of these are the old formula of 1 man and as many women as he can stick his dick into, but that does not really change the fact of the matter. The thing is though that in the examples I can give, almost all of them come from well off, financially, environments allowing them to afford that many children. Now at the same time I can point to situation where a single male, married but with girlfriends (a depressingly common occurrence in Africa) who are not supported also has a huge number of children. These are all examples of polygamous families. With the piece mentioned earlier about how poverty generally increases the number of children in the family you can see where I base my numbers about larger than average family sizes. With the fact that larger families do cost more, not necessarily double but people need to eat, and that most of the words population falls into the realm of poor education and poverty, having a polygamous households will just exasperate the current social and economic problems. |
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Post by rookie on May 10, 2011 8:26:23 GMT -5
I found a couple pennies and decided to toss them into this discussion. "Family", in America, in this day and age, (which is what I have first hand knowledge, what I will be focusing on, and what should be inferred unless otherwise stated) is a very funny, very fluid term. You can have multiple (more than two) generations living under one roof where everyone pitches in and helps with everything from changing diapers to lawn and car maintenance to mortgage to everything else there is in running a house. You can have a woman with five kids from four different men who is kicking ass and getting it done all by herself. You can have what's being called Poly here. You can have pretty much whatever you want and call it a family. It seems that the word "family" has transcended the term "blood related" in everything but the Oxford Dictionary.
While reading these three pages I am seeing a lot of financial and educational stuff. Well, a family, however it's made up, is going to have to deal with these issues. Along with childcare and dealing with neighbors and a whole host of other things that make up living in society. Welcome to life. I think it better to focus on two things. Are the adults happy? Well, maybe happy isn't the right word. Are the adults content? Is this the lifestyle they want? Are they taken care of by each other? Are they healthy (and not just in the physical/medical sense)? And how are the kids? Are they getting the love and attention they need? How are their grades? Are they healthy (same thing here)? If everyone seems to be doing fine, then good for everyone involved. If not, time for some questions from whoever asks those questions.
Anyways, that's my two hundredths of a dollar.
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Post by Vene on May 10, 2011 9:55:44 GMT -5
The fuck does this have to do with poly? This is applicable to all family structures. Which is why I bring it up. I can point to examples of polygamous families and how they have an incredibly large number of children. Fair enough most of these are the old formula of 1 man and as many women as he can stick his dick into, but that does not really change the fact of the matter. The thing is though that in the examples I can give, almost all of them come from well off, financially, environments allowing them to afford that many children. Now at the same time I can point to situation where a single male, married but with girlfriends (a depressingly common occurrence in Africa) who are not supported also has a huge number of children. These are all examples of polygamous families. With the piece mentioned earlier about how poverty generally increases the number of children in the family you can see where I base my numbers about larger than average family sizes. With the fact that larger families do cost more, not necessarily double but people need to eat, and that most of the words population falls into the realm of poor education and poverty, having a polygamous households will just exasperate the current social and economic problems. This is an argument for education and against poverty, not against poly. And you still haven't given me a citation. |
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Post by canadian mojo on May 10, 2011 14:04:06 GMT -5
I found a couple pennies and decided to toss them into this discussion. "Family", in America, in this day and age, (which is what I have first hand knowledge, what I will be focusing on, and what should be inferred unless otherwise stated) is a very funny, very fluid term. You can have multiple (more than two) generations living under one roof where everyone pitches in and helps with everything from changing diapers to lawn and car maintenance to mortgage to everything else there is in running a house. You can have a woman with five kids from four different men who is kicking ass and getting it done all by herself. You can have what's being called Poly here. You can have pretty much whatever you want and call it a family. It seems that the word "family" has transcended the term "blood related" in everything but the Oxford Dictionary. While reading these three pages I am seeing a lot of financial and educational stuff. Well, a family, however it's made up, is going to have to deal with these issues. Along with childcare and dealing with neighbors and a whole host of other things that make up living in society. Welcome to life. I think it better to focus on two things. Are the adults happy? Well, maybe happy isn't the right word. Are the adults content? Is this the lifestyle they want? Are they taken care of by each other? Are they healthy (and not just in the physical/medical sense)? And how are the kids? Are they getting the love and attention they need? How are their grades? Are they healthy (same thing here)? If everyone seems to be doing fine, then good for everyone involved. If not, time for some questions from whoever asks those questions. Anyways, that's my two hundredths of a dollar. A third aspect to maybe focus on would be the legal issues that inevitably arise because the system is based around a pair and their offspring. Who is entitled to what could get complicated, particularly in large polyamorous groups. I'm not saying it's a reason kill the idea, I'm just saying that it's something that would need to be dealt with. We already have hospitals that have said 'I don't recognize your marriage, get out' I can easily see 'pick A spouse and the rest of you leave.' Nobody needs that kind of bullshit but without strong legal standing it will happen. |
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Post by MaybeNever on May 10, 2011 22:26:13 GMT -5
Is... is it even legal to be married at 13? Do you come from the South by chance? No, but I raised the kid and the girl and me were basically married as far as it mattered to anyone. Also, if it's 'the south' in Missouri then yes. By the way, I was one of the best parents that anyone in the town ever had... until the accident... so don't think I was some kid that had no idea what I was doing. Dude, at 13, everyone is some kid with no idea what he's doing. That's what being 13 means. |
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Post by rookie on May 11, 2011 7:58:12 GMT -5
Good point, Mojo. I completely forgot that. But for me, legal aspects take a back seat to human aspects. But you are completely right. Also, if one decides to leave for any reason (divorce?) how would that work? I guess the lawyers will figure all that out. Hopefully amicably.
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Post by The_L on May 11, 2011 9:26:51 GMT -5
Re: legal issues, can't you still appoint the other members of the poly group as legal guardians? Or is there some sort of law that says a child can only have 2 guardians at one time?
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Post by Keiro on May 11, 2011 15:19:17 GMT -5
Re: legal issues, can't you still appoint the other members of the poly group as legal guardians? Or is there some sort of law that says a child can only have 2 guardians at one time? In terms of Education, you can assign legal guardians for your children, so... yes. I don't think there's a limit on legal guardians... as far as I'm aware of, when I was dealing with the horrors that is California's education. Anywhere else though, I'm not sure. |
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Post by itsaname on May 11, 2011 21:43:43 GMT -5
No, but I raised the kid and the girl and me were basically married as far as it mattered to anyone. Also, if it's 'the south' in Missouri then yes. By the way, I was one of the best parents that anyone in the town ever had... until the accident... so don't think I was some kid that had no idea what I was doing. Dude, at 13, everyone is some kid with no idea what he's doing. That's what being 13 means. I was more grown up then than my older brother was at 24 when he had a kid. Think I've gotten worse on the maturity since then. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on May 11, 2011 21:46:59 GMT -5
Re: legal issues, can't you still appoint the other members of the poly group as legal guardians? Or is there some sort of law that says a child can only have 2 guardians at one time? I think 2 legal guardians is the max. So it could be 1 parent and 2 legal guardians. |
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Post by Chi Shiro on May 11, 2011 21:49:21 GMT -5
Re: legal issues, can't you still appoint the other members of the poly group as legal guardians? Or is there some sort of law that says a child can only have 2 guardians at one time? I think 2 legal guardians is the max. So it could be 1 parent and 2 legal guardians. I could be wrong, but last time I checked you could have more than two legal guardians in Ohio. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on May 11, 2011 21:52:17 GMT -5
I have no idea. I've never had to deal with that kind of thing. I foster dogs, not children.
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Post by chagen on May 20, 2011 23:44:13 GMT -5
In all honesty, it wouldn't work.
Relationships with more than two people are prone to failure. They just are.
But Polyamoury is against my religion anyway, so I'm going to stop talking now, because any discussion with me about polyamoury leads to me yelling about how it's a perversion and I'm really just getting sick of getting to arguments anyway. And I don't want to be quoted on the main site either.
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