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Post by MaybeNever on May 21, 2011 22:16:13 GMT -5
That's a way better idea. Oh, Vene, you're so smart. Handsome too. |
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Post by anonymouse on May 22, 2011 17:07:26 GMT -5
<sigh> While I don't know if I'll ever get to really enjoy it, I really need to get my tubes tiled, so the changes I'll have to access abortion service is much lower. In some states, it's just as hard for a woman to get her tubes tied as it is for an abortion. While my friend was living in Arizona (she's in her mid-twenties), she and her husband knew they did not want to have children, and she had to have multiple doctor visits as well as several different psychological evaluations and waiting periods before she could get the procedure done. I think she wound up waiting close to a year or more. I can understand the basics...making sure she's healthy enough for the surgery, mentally sound to make that decision (not being forced etc.), and the availability of the doctor, but still...you'd think she'd asked them to remove her arms or something from the way the doctors treated her. |
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Post by nickiknack on May 22, 2011 18:29:40 GMT -5
<sigh> While I don't know if I'll ever get to really enjoy it, I really need to get my tubes tiled, so the changes I'll have to access abortion service is much lower. In some states, it's just as hard for a woman to get her tubes tied as it is for an abortion. While my friend was living in Arizona (she's in her mid-twenties), she and her husband knew they did not want to have children, and she had to have multiple doctor visits as well as several different psychological evaluations and waiting periods before she could get the procedure done. I think she wound up waiting close to a year or more. I can understand the basics...making sure she's healthy enough for the surgery, mentally sound to make that decision (not being forced etc.), and the availability of the doctor, but still...you'd think she'd asked them to remove her arms or something from the way the doctors treated her. I don't know...My mom had her's done right after she popped me out, and never told me that she had to jump through hoops to get it done, but we do live a more liberal state, soo.... |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on May 22, 2011 18:33:52 GMT -5
In some states, it's just as hard for a woman to get her tubes tied as it is for an abortion. While my friend was living in Arizona (she's in her mid-twenties), she and her husband knew they did not want to have children, and she had to have multiple doctor visits as well as several different psychological evaluations and waiting periods before she could get the procedure done. I think she wound up waiting close to a year or more. I can understand the basics...making sure she's healthy enough for the surgery, mentally sound to make that decision (not being forced etc.), and the availability of the doctor, but still...you'd think she'd asked them to remove her arms or something from the way the doctors treated her. I don't know...My mom had her's done right after she popped me out, and never told me that she had to jump through hoops to get it done, but we do live a more liberal state, soo.... I'm determined to get mine tied as soon as I can possibly afford it, so I've been researching...seems like doctors don't think a woman who hasn't already had several kids will really know what she wants until she's nearly 35-40 years old. Really not sure how they'd react to a young woman with already established mood health issues. ETA: My mom got her tubes tied after having my twin brothers, but then again she was almost 28 and already had two kids, so they didn't exactly argue with her. |
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Post by sylvana on May 23, 2011 2:30:53 GMT -5
I'm determined to get mine tied as soon as I can possibly afford it, so I've been researching...seems like doctors don't think a woman who hasn't already had several kids will really know what she wants until she's nearly 35-40 years old. My personal view on this is that one should not limit their ability to have children prematurely. You never know what the future might hold and keeping your options open is always the better choice. Still I do agree that someone opting to have their tubes tied should at least see a doctor first as well as receive some psychological testing, just to be safe. As for the main article. How will this do anything? Last I checked when almost all abortions take place there is really nothing much to describe. I wonder if a sonogram would even show anything. |
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Post by wmdkitty on May 23, 2011 2:37:24 GMT -5
I'm determined to get mine tied as soon as I can possibly afford it, so I've been researching...seems like doctors don't think a woman who hasn't already had several kids will really know what she wants until she's nearly 35-40 years old. My personal view on this is that one should not limit their ability to have children prematurely. You never know what the future might hold and keeping your options open is always the better choice. Still I do agree that someone opting to have their tubes tied should at least see a doctor first as well as receive some psychological testing, just to be safe. As for the main article. How will this do anything? Last I checked when almost all abortions take place there is really nothing much to describe. I wonder if a sonogram would even show anything. What, so I should leave myself open to pregnancy when I have already given it a lot of thought, and I KNOW that the right choice, FOR ME, is to get sterilized, because "I might change my mind"? That's fucking ridiculous. I know what I want, and children ain't it. |
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Post by ironbite on May 23, 2011 3:46:47 GMT -5
But kitty...you're not a MOTHER! You don't know the power of a child's laugh. I'm sure, if you really think about it, you know you want kids. Because as a woman, it's your God Given Duty to be fruitful and multiply to show your love for God.
*blinks*
Ironbite-now if you'll excuse me...I have to go replace my melted processor.
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Post by chad sexington on May 23, 2011 4:07:33 GMT -5
As for the main article. How will this do anything? Last I checked when almost all abortions take place there is really nothing much to describe. I wonder if a sonogram would even show anything. "There's no evidence of pregnancy, therefore you don't need an abortion. Permission denied!" |
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Post by Aqualung on May 23, 2011 9:46:55 GMT -5
I'm determined to get mine tied as soon as I can possibly afford it, so I've been researching...seems like doctors don't think a woman who hasn't already had several kids will really know what she wants until she's nearly 35-40 years old. My personal view on this is that one should not limit their ability to have children prematurely. You never know what the future might hold and keeping your options open is always the better choice. Still I do agree that someone opting to have their tubes tied should at least see a doctor first as well as receive some psychological testing, just to be safe. It's funny how if a girl gets knocked up at 16 and decides to keep it she's OMG so brave and doing the Right Thing TM. But if you're 28 and don't want kids? LOL You're too young to know what you want and need your head examined.  |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on May 23, 2011 12:49:59 GMT -5
I'm determined to get mine tied as soon as I can possibly afford it, so I've been researching...seems like doctors don't think a woman who hasn't already had several kids will really know what she wants until she's nearly 35-40 years old. My personal view on this is that one should not limit their ability to have children prematurely. You never know what the future might hold and keeping your options open is always the better choice. Still I do agree that someone opting to have their tubes tied should at least see a doctor first as well as receive some psychological testing, just to be safe. As for the main article. How will this do anything? Last I checked when almost all abortions take place there is really nothing much to describe. I wonder if a sonogram would even show anything. Fuck you. I didn't say a goddamned hysterectomy, which would make me totally incapable of bearing children (which sounds good to me, too, but I know no legit doctor would go for removing a fairly healthy uterus) I said TIED TUBES. There's this little technology called in-vitro fertilization. Look it up. But yeah, I'll totally change my mind about passing on my fucked up genes and ruining little kids' lives with how shitty of a parent I KNOW I would be. |
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Post by Shane for Wax on May 23, 2011 15:01:13 GMT -5
Well I'm with Deadpan. I ain't passin' on my fucked up genes just so another person can go through what I did all my life. Which is why I'm glad I only have half of my 'essential baby making organs'.
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Post by rookie on May 23, 2011 15:43:32 GMT -5
It's funny how if a girl gets knocked up at 16 and decides to keep it she's OMG so brave and doing the Right Thing TM. But if you're 28 and don't want kids? laugh out loud You're too young to know what you want and need your head examined. Really? Because around here with out Liberal East Coast fundies, it's "ZOMG!!!! Sexually active youths! [Points to pregnant teenager] This is what's wrong with America!!!eleventyone!! Repent, adolescent whore, repent!!!" |
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Post by Aqualung on May 23, 2011 16:00:35 GMT -5
Ah, but I think there's the difference. IF they're just having sex, they're dirty whores. If they have a baby, they're suddenly brave and a hero or whatever. Personally, I'm praying for early menopause. (And yes, I recognize the irony in that statement.  ) |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on May 23, 2011 16:01:49 GMT -5
It's funny how if a girl gets knocked up at 16 and decides to keep it she's OMG so brave and doing the Right Thing TM. But if you're 28 and don't want kids? laugh out loud You're too young to know what you want and need your head examined. Really? Because around here with out Liberal East Coast fundies, it's "ZOMG!!!! Sexually active youths! [Points to pregnant teenager] This is what's wrong with America!!!eleventyone!! Repent, adolescent whore, repent!!!" Yes, but keep in mind how much worse it gets if she dares to abort vs. carry to term. Even then, I know of a lot of people who were ecstatic over their teen getting preggers. And girls who carry to term instead of opting for abortion are at least considered in a much better light where I'm from; I've had an argument with someone who said that a 10-year-old where he's from went and got herself knocked up, and that having and raising the baby is the only honorable thing for her to do. Plus, you know, the 13-year-old who knocked her up somehow supporting her and the baby is the only right thing to do. |
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Post by musicalbookworm on May 23, 2011 18:57:47 GMT -5
I really did not expect to have to deal with fundy asshats on this board. If a woman or man is an adult and wants to end their fertility, they should have the right to do so. Personally, I think it's rather dumb to make any binding commitments between 18 and 25. Enjoy being an adult and figuring out who you are without undue influence from authority figures. However, if an 18 year old is old enough to assume the responsibilities of adulthood, they are old enough to make other long term commitments, tubal ligation or vasectomy should be no different.
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