POSW
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Still metal, no longer Jewish
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Post by POSW on May 28, 2011 15:46:12 GMT -5
Wonderful. The US has government-funded brainwashing. Because free-markets are the root of all evil, amirite? Have fun in your communist utopia--or did I mean dystopia, after all, the USSR only had to kill 70 million people to prove that Capitalism is the only possible way to a free country and world. The other stuff? Legit complaints. Which makes your vague hatred of capitalism completely out of left field. That's a lovely strawman/false dichotomy you've got there. Just because the USSR failed doesn't mean that people should, for example, let BP do whatever it wants. That was clearly demonstrated last summer. |
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Post by danarth on May 28, 2011 15:49:29 GMT -5
The USSR was communist now? I thought it ended up being the personal empire of Stalin and his cronies. You know, making them effectively the new bourgeoius. so...not communist. at all.
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Post by brendanjd on May 28, 2011 15:56:16 GMT -5
The USSR was communist now? I thought it ended up being the personal empire of Stalin and his cronies. You know, making them effectively the new bourgeoius. so...not communist. at all. Much like how the mere existence of public libraries, police departments and government built roads completely invalidates American capitalism right? ;D Authoritarianism is merely part of the political compass, and can occur in both left and right wing philosophies. Nepotism is so prevalent in every single society that has ever existed it is barely worth mentioning, let alone being the reason that invalidates the Soviet Experiment. |
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Post by banjaxed on May 28, 2011 16:00:26 GMT -5
The USSR was communist now? I thought it ended up being the personal empire of Stalin and his cronies. You know, making them effectively the new bourgeoius. so...not communist. at all. This post is suspicious, but I'll bite. Yes it is, they espoused many beliefs in communism and tried to spread ideas to other countries. Did Soviet leaders milk the system and live high on the hog? Yes, but that's inevitable in State Societies. In all, they tried and failed at being equal. Now, contrast the USSR to modern People's Republic of China (a capitalist authoritarian system) and tell me the USSR wasn't communist. |
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nomad
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Post by nomad on May 28, 2011 16:00:36 GMT -5
 Lets get the hell outta here! Like my ancestors before me, I've gotta head north. Isn't it less than 1% of the US/Canada border is actually monitored? |
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Post by brendanjd on May 28, 2011 16:02:15 GMT -5
Longest unguarded border in the world.
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Post by danarth on May 28, 2011 16:05:03 GMT -5
The USSR was communist now? I thought it ended up being the personal empire of Stalin and his cronies. You know, making them effectively the new bourgeoius. so...not communist. at all. Much like how the mere existence of public libraries, police departments and government built roads completely invalidates American capitalism right? ;D Authoritarianism is merely part of the political compass, and can occur in both left and right wing philosophies. Nepotism is so prevalent in every single society that has ever existed it is barely worth mentioning, let alone being the reason that invalidates the Soviet Experiment. Except, nepotism isn't the only it wasn't communist. It was one of the reasons. The flagarant disregard for democracy, the flagrant disregard for worker control and worker management of the work place. The complete disregard for that fact that Communism was supposed to be an international movement and not following the dictates of one country, the flagrant disregard for the fact that nowhere in any communist writings does it say anything about there being a single dictator. and the fact that there was still a state in the USSR when communist political idealogue calls for the dissolving of the state? Oh, and the dissolution of the class system, which in the USSR clearly did not happen. If it was 'just' because of the nepotism, I might be inclined to agree, but it wasn't just that. |
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Post by jackmann on May 28, 2011 16:10:43 GMT -5
The problem with a true communist society, as envisioned by Marx, is that the "interim" government will never agree to give up its power and dissolve itself.
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nomad
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Post by nomad on May 28, 2011 16:12:56 GMT -5
The problem with a true communist society, as envisioned by Marx, is that the "interim" government will never agree to give up its power and dissolve itself. This is true. The dictatorship of the proletariat has to kill itself to let the society survive, but it never does. |
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Post by danarth on May 28, 2011 16:17:21 GMT -5
The problem with a true communist society, as envisioned by Marx, is that the "interim" government will never agree to give up its power and dissolve itself. This is true. The dictatorship of the proletariat has to kill itself to let the society survive, but it never does. Of this I agree with, a government is very unlikely to end itself, which is why Marx's exact vision of a communist society is unworkable. |
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Post by MaybeNever on May 28, 2011 16:51:02 GMT -5
I believe there are somewhat more fundamental problems with Marxist Communism than that the initial dictatorship will fail to dissolve itself. Had the Soviet central authority dissolved itself, the USSR would have disintegrated... as indeed happened.
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chagen
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Post by chagen on May 28, 2011 16:59:48 GMT -5
Jesus christ, this entire board is filled with socialists/communists. Holy fuck it disturbs me that you think those flawed-from-the-fucking-start systems would ever work.
Have fun in your communist utopia. When you're sent to a labor camp for a completely bullshit crime, I'll be the first one to meet you there, and all I'll do is say "I told you so".
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Post by VirtualStranger on May 28, 2011 17:01:37 GMT -5
 I love how you call us communists when the entirety of the page was just discussing the flaws of communism. |
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Post by sugarfreejazz on May 28, 2011 17:04:39 GMT -5
Chagen did you even bother to read the thread? Reading comprehension is your friend.
Oh wait he's still trying to "go out with a bang."
Carry on then.
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Post by Vene on May 28, 2011 17:06:37 GMT -5
You know what I like? The Nordic Model. Low unemployment, high GDP, high growth, and high civil rights are the results. None of this gulag shit and, conversely, no taking a pay cut while the CEO gets a bonus. |
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Because free-markets are the root of all evil, amirite?
