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Post by nickiknack on Jun 21, 2011 18:05:19 GMT -5
I'm guessing there weren't any low cost healthcare places around where this guy lives....this is sad. I hate how the politicians(especially the Republicans) moan and bitch about how bad "socialized healthcare" is, but they aren't putting up any alternatives, like more low-cost healthcare places to be built...so sad how far this country has fallen. Low cost healthcare doesn't really mean much when you're out of work. When your expenses to survive are greater than the money you bring in, finding even a couple bucks becomes an impossibility. I'm not saying it's the answer, I'm for socialized healthcare myself, but it's something and much better than nothing. I'm out of work, and I had to go the other day due to a weird rash that I've had for about a month, that my family thought might be lyme, it was only $15. They base the payment on how much you make, or receive in from unemployment, welfare, or whatnot...heck they would charge nothing if you have nothing... |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 21, 2011 18:43:31 GMT -5
American Healthcare reminds me of that scene from Spongebob where they wheeled Mr. Krabs out of his room and infront of the snack machine.
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Post by ltfred on Jun 21, 2011 18:48:11 GMT -5
Low cost healthcare doesn't really mean much when you're out of work. When your expenses to survive are greater than the money you bring in, finding even a couple bucks becomes an impossibility. I'm not saying it's the answer, I'm for socialized healthcare myself, but it's something and much better than nothing. I'm out of work, and I had to go the other day due to a weird rash that I've had for about a month, that my family thought might be lyme, it was only $15. They base the payment on how much you make, or receive in from unemployment, welfare, or whatnot...heck they would charge nothing if you have nothing... It's like the first scene of to Kill a Mockingbird. I'd like mail service, but my local mail carriers are on strike. They probably have a good reason (employer won't negotiate, ect). |
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Post by nickiknack on Jun 21, 2011 19:21:49 GMT -5
ok, sorry about the naive bs that I said, any way I would've found some other way to go about it, given the fact he now has a prison record that's going to follow him until the day he drops dead, and that is just going make his life more messed up as it already is...
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Post by Amaranth on Jun 21, 2011 19:42:43 GMT -5
That's it! People in prison are being too nice! Take away all health care!
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Post by Caitshidhe on Jun 21, 2011 19:47:48 GMT -5
Wow. This is just plain sad.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Jun 21, 2011 21:17:24 GMT -5
My mom's threatened to do this several times, mostly when her numerous health problems have all acted up at once...oh America, BEST COUNTRY EVAR.
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Post by sylvana on Jun 22, 2011 0:41:01 GMT -5
ok, sorry about the naive bs that I said, any way I would've found some other way to go about it, given the fact he now has a prison record that's going to follow him until the day he drops dead, and that is just going make his life more messed up as it already is... I think the problem here is that with the protrusion that started growing on his chest, having his life more messed up wouldn't be much of an issue. It is one thing to say he cant get a job because of a criminal record, but if he cant work, or get a job because he is severely ill and disabled, is an even bigger problem. Hell for all we know if he hadn't gone to jail he wouldn't have had much of the rest of his life to worry about. I doubt he could even afford to see a doctor to get a diagnosis for his problems, let alone get it treated. Never forget, ones health is always more important than ones criminal record. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jun 22, 2011 0:51:09 GMT -5
Can I kiss you? ;D
It even sucks if you have insurance. If I get a UTI(which I do often), my parents have to save up to take me to the doctor. That means I spend two weeks or more on AZO, which the doctor then scolds me for.
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Post by gyeonghwa on Jun 22, 2011 0:53:39 GMT -5
This is a glaring reminder to me that I no longer have health insurance because I graduated. Ugh, fuck our Health care system.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jun 22, 2011 1:32:03 GMT -5
Buy me a drink first  Seriously? Is it common for this kind of stuff to happen? We have a number of things that aren't covered by health care here, like dentistry, ambulance rides, prescription meds, most cosmetic procedures and some other stuff (though you can get partial or full subsidy for them if you're making less than a certain amount), so people can buy separate coverage for those things via Blue Cross. When I was under my dad's coverage as a teenager, I recall that it was still super expensive for my braces, despite the co-pay. As an adult, before I had subsidy, I had to pay the full price for a filling, and it was a bit of a hassle. I can't even imagine having to deal with those expenses every time I go to my doctor's office, never mind all the times I was in the hospital. I'd be under a mountain of debt right now. Kinda makes me feel bad for how many times I've taken things for granted. |
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Post by verasthebrujah on Jun 22, 2011 8:06:53 GMT -5
Most bankruptcies in the United States are the result of high medical bills. (http://www.pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_study/Bankruptcy-2009.pdf)What percentage of bankruptcies in the rest of the industrialized world are the result of medical bills? 0%. The rest of the industrialized world views health care as a right, not as a privilege. It's unbelievable, really. The right-wing argument against a single-payer system is that they don't want a government bureaucrat between them and their doctor. In our current system, there is an HMO bureaucrat between a patient and their doctor. The difference between the two? HMOs are profit-seeking institutions, which means that the company's incentive is to deny treatment, thereby increasing profit. The government agency's incentive is to provide good service to the people, thereby ensuring more funding for the agency and reelection for the representatives associated with the agency. |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 22, 2011 10:30:42 GMT -5
The thing that annoys the shit out of me is that rich people will run to the doctor every time they get the sniffles (or "exhaustion", whatever the fuck that is), while the poor aren't able to have life-saving surgeries or even get an assessment for a serious problem. But their nanny is on strike so they had to care for their children all by themselves. Can't you see that's exausting?  |
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Post by nickiknack on Jun 22, 2011 11:35:46 GMT -5
I think the problem here is that with the protrusion that started growing on his chest, having his life more messed up wouldn't be much of an issue. It is one thing to say he cant get a job because of a criminal record, but if he cant work, or get a job because he is severely ill and disabled, is an even bigger problem. Hell for all we know if he hadn't gone to jail he wouldn't have had much of the rest of his life to worry about. I doubt he could even afford to see a doctor to get a diagnosis for his problems, let alone get it treated. Never forget, ones health is always more important than ones criminal record. I understand, and agree with you, I just think it's a rather dumb way to go about things. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I really don't see our healthcare system changing any time soon, because it seems that this country lacks in the empathy department, and that the right-wing has much more money then the liberal side does...hopefully I'm wrong, but I won't hold my breath. |
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Post by ltfred on Jun 22, 2011 17:30:02 GMT -5
ok, sorry about the naive bs that I said, any way I would've found some other way to go about it, given the fact he now has a prison record that's going to follow him until the day he drops dead, and that is just going make his life more messed up as it already is... It's just that I find it absurd that there is an informal economy for a legal good in the United States, centre of world capitalism. It's like the scene where the impoverished farmer gives Finch food as payment for legal council, at the start of To Kill a Mockingbird. I understand, and agree with you, I just think it's a rather dumb way to go about things. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I really don't see our healthcare system changing any time soon, because it seems that this country lacks in the empathy department, and that the right-wing has much more money then the liberal side does...hopefully I'm wrong, but I won't hold my breath. It's not a matter of empathy. It's a matter of rationality. Do you want an efficient, good system, or an expensive, shithouse system? Well, everyone has just agreed on slightly modifying the shithouse, expensive system. Eventually, it'll cost so much that the US will be forced to get rid of it. What then? Just buy Switzerland and use their health insurance service? It's unbelievable, really. The right-wing argument against a single-payer system is that they don't want a government bureaucrat between them and their doctor. The argument is, essentially, that they prefer an intrusive private insurer between them and their doctor rather than a less intrusive government. Intrusion isn't bad- corporate intrusion is fine. Government intrusion is bad. The other problem, of course, is that corporations are way worse at bureacracy than the goverrnment. They have much better-paid* management, which is (for that reason) much less effective. They have to replicate the bureacraacy as many times as there are companies. They have to spend money on advertising, in dividends, in corporate profits, in taxes. And, I'd argue, they just suck at their jobs. For this reason, government insurance has about one-quarter the administration costs as a percentage of total costs as private insurance. Every dollar extra spent in huge private bureacracy is one not spent in actual healthcare. * Several dozen times more. |
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