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Post by linuxianilmurov on Jul 15, 2011 17:45:55 GMT -5
You don't seriously believe that do you? Pan-Am bombings were in the 1988. As in a quarter of a century ago. He hasn't done anything since, and in fact got rid of his WMD program. Why should we care about this piece of shit if he doesn't pose a threat to us?
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Post by ironbite on Jul 15, 2011 17:55:58 GMT -5
Cause he's alive and poses a threat as long as he's in power. Just cause you haven't done something in a quarter century doesn't mean you won't do something in the near future.
Ironbite-he's a threat and should've been taken down in 1988 but wasn't....think of this as karmatic payback.
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Post by linuxianilmurov on Jul 15, 2011 18:01:32 GMT -5
So. He is been more accommodating to the west. Why would he do something to us in the future, if he hadn't done for the past quarter century and had plenty of opportunities to do it then? We let tons of dictators sit on their throne, as long as don' do anything to us.
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Post by ironbite on Jul 15, 2011 18:08:16 GMT -5
He's getting old. The old do weird shit. Like shoot their own people.
Ironbite-the days of that are kinda over.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 15, 2011 19:35:58 GMT -5
Wait a minute.
You look at someone massacring their own people and say "Not my problem?"
That attitude is a large part of why this world, as a whole, is shitty.
Poor dying because of an easily treatable illness that they can't afford the treatment for? Not my problem, I can afford my own health care.
Public schools unable to teach kids properly due to lack of funds? Not my problem, my kids are enrolled in a private school for the rich.
People in another country are being massacred by their world leader? Not my problem, I'm an American.
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Post by Runa on Jul 15, 2011 19:38:15 GMT -5
Pure Libertarian "Screw you, I got mine."
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Post by TWoozl on Jul 15, 2011 20:42:53 GMT -5
Linuxian, I do have to ask; It looks awfully like you just posted for the sole purpose of scaring up viewpoints to prop your own up, or to pound a table against. Is that what you're trying to do here?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 15, 2011 22:24:02 GMT -5
Wait a minute. You look at someone massacring their own people and say "Not my problem?" That attitude is a large part of why this world, as a whole, is shitty. Poor dying because of an easily treatable illness that they can't afford the treatment for? Not my problem, I can afford my own health care. Public schools unable to teach kids properly due to lack of funds? Not my problem, my kids are enrolled in a private school for the rich. People in another country are being massacred by their world leader? Not my problem, I'm an American. So... What exactly are you doing to make the world better? |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 15, 2011 22:51:06 GMT -5
Wait a minute. You look at someone massacring their own people and say "Not my problem?" That attitude is a large part of why this world, as a whole, is shitty. Poor dying because of an easily treatable illness that they can't afford the treatment for? Not my problem, I can afford my own health care. Public schools unable to teach kids properly due to lack of funds? Not my problem, my kids are enrolled in a private school for the rich. People in another country are being massacred by their world leader? Not my problem, I'm an American. So... What exactly are you doing to make the world better? Giving what I can to charity, voting on what issues that I can, and NOT holding a selfish, libertarian opinion on other countries and other people. Oh yeah, I'm also planting herbs and vegetables, growing a tree in my backyard, and so forth, which do contribute slightly to the overall climate. You don't need to be Buddha to be able to criticize someone for a rotten attitude. I'm pretty sure that's a fallacy. What about you? What have you done for the overall good of the world? |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 15, 2011 23:01:27 GMT -5
So... What exactly are you doing to make the world better? Giving what I can to charity, voting on what issues that I can, and NOT holding a selfish, libertarian opinion on other countries and other people. Oh yeah, I'm also planting herbs and vegetables, growing a tree in my backyard, and so forth, which do contribute slightly to the overall climate. You don't need to be Buddha to be able to criticize someone for a rotten attitude. I'm pretty sure that's a fallacy. What about you? What have you done for the overall good of the world? Mah bad, thought you might be one of those sanctimonious types who suddenly has a buttload of excuses when it comes to practising what they preach. Internet's full of them after all. As for me, I'm not of the of the opinion that I need to fix the world's problems, especially when it comes to dictators abroad. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jul 15, 2011 23:05:57 GMT -5
Giving what I can to charity, voting on what issues that I can, and NOT holding a selfish, libertarian opinion on other countries and other people. Oh yeah, I'm also planting herbs and vegetables, growing a tree in my backyard, and so forth, which do contribute slightly to the overall climate. You don't need to be Buddha to be able to criticize someone for a rotten attitude. I'm pretty sure that's a fallacy. What about you? What have you done for the overall good of the world? Mah bad, thought you might be one of those sanctimonious types who suddenly has a buttload of excuses when it comes to practising what they preach. Internet's full of them after all. As for me, I'm not of the of the opinion that I need to fix the world's problems, especially when it comes to dictators abroad. I guess I'm unusual in that I think countries need to help each other out more often, like a gigantic, planetary community. I mean, after all, they're human, like we are. One aspect of our nature is helping each other, although that's become rather distorted due to the fact that our instinct wasn't meant to handle massive quantities of humanity. Basically, I want to stop treating other people like "them" and start treating them like "us". Believe me, when I get more money (since money is power, unfortunately) I'll be doing more than what I currently am. But what I can do is this. Hmm, I wonder what else I can do, actually. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 15, 2011 23:10:00 GMT -5
First of all, its not the UN, it's NATO thats doing the mission. Second the fact the Gaddafi is killing his own people isn't a sufficient reason to intervene. Shit like that happens all over the world, and we can't stop it from happening. Second, as my links have demonstrated the rebels are pretty bad people themselves. Gaddafi does have support from his own tribe. Libya is a very tribal society and its hard to speak of a "Libyan People". 1) I'm referring to UN authorization for offensive action. 2) Did I say that it justified intervention? No. I said that the fact that he isn't a thread to westerners wasn't a reason to NOT get involved. 2) (Since you had two "seconds" in there) Tribal or not, they live under the same Libyan government. You don't seriously believe that do you? Pan-Am bombings were in the 1988. As in a quarter of a century ago. He hasn't done anything since, and in fact got rid of his WMD program. Why should we care about this piece of shit if he doesn't pose a threat to us? I care about "the piece of shit" because he's violating basic human rights. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 15, 2011 23:16:14 GMT -5
Mah bad, thought you might be one of those sanctimonious types who suddenly has a buttload of excuses when it comes to practising what they preach. Internet's full of them after all. As for me, I'm not of the of the opinion that I need to fix the world's problems, especially when it comes to dictators abroad. I guess I'm unusual in that I think countries need to help each other out more often, like a gigantic, planetary community. I mean, after all, they're human, like we are. One aspect of our nature is helping each other, although that's become rather distorted due to the fact that our instinct wasn't meant to handle massive quantities of humanity. Basically, I want to stop treating other people like "them" and start treating them like "us". Believe me, when I get more money (since money is power, unfortunately) I'll be doing more than what I currently am. But what I can do is this. Hmm, I wonder what else I can do, actually. Seems good in theory to me, but in practise the money just isn't there. Hell, look at Afghanistan, all that money spent to invade, maintain order and set up elections and after all that expense and bloodshed the people there would overwhelmingly vote for an Islamic theocracy. Personally, I think we need to look our own before trying to fix the rest of the world. For example, I'd like to see the homeless population reduced to 0 before the nation in question even thinks about ousting dictators for moral reasons. |
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Post by Yla on Jul 16, 2011 4:43:04 GMT -5
First of all, its not the UN, it's NATO thats doing the mission. So Qatar and the UAE are NATO members now? I didn't know. Isn't? ISN'T?? THEN WHAT THE HELL IS? I think the intervention somehow proves that we indeed can. Edit: Oh, and for the record, I don't care particularly about the Lockerbie and Belle bombings. Yes, he's a criminal for ordering them (assuming he is, but I don't think that there's much doubt), but apparently everyone forgave him in 2006 when he was readmitted into the club. They're an issue of the past, not a reason for war anymore. |
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Post by scotsgit on Jul 16, 2011 5:16:51 GMT -5
Gaddalfi is one of the world's biggest terrorists. Ever hear of the pan-am bombings? Yeah that was him. He's not a nice guy but up till now, the US didn't care enough. Hell, the rest of the world didn't care enough. He kept his people under thumb and that was that. Until now. Now, he's pissed off the rest of the world that people care and they're going to do something about it. Just cause he's got the support of his own tribe doesn't mean jack. Ironbite-just means a select group of people are idiots of a massive quality. Ironbite, you do know that the evidence of Libyan involvement is really weak, don't you? It relies on the testimony of one man who claims he saw Megrahi buying a suitcase in Malta and who couldn't even identify him beyond saying "He had a moustache". There is, however, overwhelming evidence that it was carried out by a Palestinian splinter group funded by Syria in retaliation for the US shooting down of an Iranian passenger jet. Gaddafi is a nasty piece of work who has funded terrorist organisations around the globe and trained them (PIRA and ETA as well as groups such as Shining Path), but this wasn't anything to do with him. |
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