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Post by Smurfette Principle on Aug 29, 2011 8:15:08 GMT -5
And once again, we are reminded why Sandman is awesome as fuck.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 29, 2011 8:24:13 GMT -5
If you ask me, Patton is far more awesome than Jefferson and friends could ever hope to be. If anyone should be America's cultural icon, it's him.
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Post by the sandman on Aug 29, 2011 11:07:35 GMT -5
I was always partial to the Roosevelts myself. FDR and Teddy are simple legendary in reality.
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Post by VirtualStranger on Aug 29, 2011 11:57:06 GMT -5
As someone who is currently in high school, this saddens and infuriates me. Most of my peers are already stupid enough for my taste.
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Post by discoberry on Aug 29, 2011 12:31:21 GMT -5
As someone who is currently in high school, this saddens and infuriates me. Most of my peers are already stupid enough for my taste. I was in the Army with some of your peers, it CAN be worse |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 29, 2011 15:35:29 GMT -5
This is also why you get so many weirdly bizarre stories about the Founding Fathers. From Washington throwing silver dollars across rivers and Jefferson straightening horseshoes with his bare hands to Lincoln writing the Gettysburg Address on the back on an envelope on the train to Pennsylvania. It's the deliberate construction of a mythology. Don't forget George Washington chopping down a cherry tree and then admitting to it with perfect honesty. Funnily enough, I couldn't remember if it was George Washington or Abraham Lincoln due to the "Honest Abe" meme, so I googled it. Google auto-completes for Abraham Lincoln Cherry Tree Story. So, apparently, I'm far from the only one to get confused on this apocryphal story. |
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Post by SimSim on Aug 29, 2011 16:45:37 GMT -5
It's funny in that people try to make these apocryphal stories true. The property in Virginia that housed Washington's childhood home had cherry trees planted on it because of the tale of Washington and the cherry tree.
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Post by ltfred on Aug 29, 2011 16:51:09 GMT -5
As someone on the outside looking in, can I just say (again) how weird the sanctification and cannonisation of the US "Founding Fathers" looks to everyone else? It's odd, but totally understandable. The USA is in the fairly unique position of being a (historically speaking) very recently created entity, Nope, the US political system is the oldest on Earth, not youngest. The actual national entity is older than virtually all European, African or Asian nations. For example, Germany is scarcely two decades old, ten times younger than the US. Nor does Australia. Why have we no perfect heroes? |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 29, 2011 16:51:20 GMT -5
It's funny in that people try to make these apocryphal stories true. The property in Virginia that housed Washington's childhood home had cherry trees planted on it because of the tale of Washington and the cherry tree. .......... |
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Post by the sandman on Aug 29, 2011 16:57:59 GMT -5
It's odd, but totally understandable. The USA is in the fairly unique position of being a (historically speaking) very recently created entity, Nope, the US political system is the oldest on Earth, not youngest. The actual national entity is older than virtually all European, African or Asian nations. For example, Germany is scarcely two decades old, ten times younger than the US. Nor does Australia. Why have we no perfect heroes? Fred, come on, you know what I mean. I said "fairly unique," not "unique," and you know I am talking about cultural identity, not political organization. And you don't consider Yahoo Serious and Paul Hogan to be perfect heroes? Joking aside, I've never been to Ozzie, but wasn't there, at least for a long time, still a close cultural tie with GB? Did Australia break with GB in a similar armed rebellion like the USA? I am actually asking, Australian history is one area I am very sketchy in. |
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Post by VirtualStranger on Aug 29, 2011 17:15:55 GMT -5
As someone who is currently in high school, this saddens and infuriates me. Most of my peers are already stupid enough for my taste. I was in the Army with some of your peers, it CAN be worse Wait, what? How were you in the Army with my peers? |
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Post by The_L on Aug 29, 2011 18:15:52 GMT -5
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK, TEXAS?!
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Post by Art Vandelay on Aug 29, 2011 23:21:11 GMT -5
And you don't consider Yahoo Serious and Paul Hogan to be perfect heroes? Joking aside, I've never been to Ozzie, but wasn't there, at least for a long time, still a close cultural tie with GB? Did Australia break with GB in a similar armed rebellion like the USA? I am actually asking, Australian history is one area I am very sketchy in. Nothing of the sort actually, we just decided in 1901 that nominal independence would be nice, there was a referendum and that was it. Then again I guess it's likely Australian culture has progressed to the point where nobody here identifies with any British cultural heroes so Aussies are trying to find their own with fuck all success. It would certainly explain why the unmitigated disaster that was the Gallipoli Campaign seems to be so legendary over here. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Aug 29, 2011 23:37:20 GMT -5
It's odd, but totally understandable. The USA is in the fairly unique position of being a (historically speaking) very recently created entity, Nope, the US political system is the oldest on Earth, not youngest. The actual national entity is older than virtually all European, African or Asian nations. For example, Germany is scarcely two decades old, ten times younger than the US. Nor does Australia. Why have we no perfect heroes? Fred, you're blithering again. First of all, the Germans don't consider their country only 20 years old. But that aside, there are many, many countries that have an unbroken existance far longer than the USA. Off the top of my head, and in no particular order... Denmark, UK, Iceland, Japan, Spain, Portugal, France, Poland, Norway, Switzerland, just to name a few. However, if your point is that there are other countries of similar age to the USA who don't have the wierd cult deification of a select group of national heros, I tend to agree with you. |
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Aug 29, 2011 23:38:51 GMT -5
Mel Gibson's Australian.
Or do the Australian people realize he's insane and decided fuck that guy?
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